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  • #16
    I think it depends on the bar and the reason you are going there. Almost every restaurant has a bar nowadays. Does that mean you can't go into an Old Chicago?

    Also he mentioned nightclubs. I don't see anything wrong with going into a nightclub to have a bit of fun, dancing and such. Again it depends on the club. Some are places I would not dare enter, Christian or not. And definitely not strip clubs.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Can you provide an example where he went with them to a place of business that served alcohol as its primary purpose for being in business?
      You know that's not how society worked in those days. He did, however, eat with them - which was looked upon by the Pharisees as no less worse than some Christians today view going to bars.
      Yes, and I can think of one or two famous ones whose lives were ruined by it.
      It should only be done with discernment.
      Jesus did not adopt the methods, habits or customs of the sinners to whom He ministered. He called them to repentance - he told them to "sin no more".
      I agree.
      This notion that He "hung out with" sinners is, in my opinion, both wrong and dangerous.
      It's biblical.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        From a Pharisaic POV, there isn't much distinction, if any. Jesus "hung out" with tax collectors and sinners where they were. I do know of people who do that. On the other hand, I don't think that going to a bar to hang out is wrong in and of itself, though it's wrong to get drunk while doing so and I wouldn't make a habit of it because it's not cheap.
        Where did Jesus go to spend time with the tax collectors and sinners? to their homes?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
          You also have to consider what may be a stumbling block to young believers.
          That's true. That might associate bars and nightclubs with drunkenness if they were getting drunk in those places before they became believers.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            It would definitely change the environment in there.
            Hopefully, the music in those places would change.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Jaxb View Post
              Where did Jesus go to spend time with the tax collectors and sinners? to their homes?
              That's where people tended to eat. AFAIK, group meals in homes were much more common, and I don't think the concept of restaurants was around.
              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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              • #22
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                It's biblical.
                We'll just have to disagree.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Trout View Post
                    We need more Christians in bars. Get in there!
                    Hmm . . . . How do you reconcile this with the apostolic instruction, "Abstain from all appearance of evil." -- 1 Thessaloinians 5;22?
                    Or how do you reconcile this with the proverb, "Look not thou upon the wine . . ." -- Proverbs 23;31?
                    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      Hmm . . . . How do you reconcile this with the apostolic instruction, "Abstain from all appearance of evil." -- 1 Thessaloinians 5;22?
                      Or how do you reconcile this with the proverb, "Look not thou upon the wine . . ." -- Proverbs 23;31?
                      The wedding Jesus attended had an open bar, Jesus even supplied the booze. did he give the appearance of evil?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        The wedding Jesus attended had an open bar, Jesus even supplied the booze. did he give the appearance of evil?
                        Of course this was back during a time when wine was probably safer to drink than the water

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                        • #27
                          Where's Mr. Kott?
                          When I Survey....

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Faber View Post
                            Where's Mr. Kott?
                            Knott here!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              I think it would depend on what the place was like. A "bar" can range from a restaurant that serves alcohol to a place you'd likely get mugged in. This range blurs the line a bit. The purpose of the bar can also I'd imagine range from eating with drinks to socializing to entertaining business clients to just entertainment to just drinking to get drunk too. And I do wonder if some of the unease for some (please note I am not implying anyone in this conversation but am merely discussing it in the abstract) might come less from moral qualms and more from the status of the place (compare a dive bar to a cocktail lounge).

                              And this topic also brings to mind a related question--what about casinos?
                              Last edited by Paula; 05-17-2016, 07:07 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Paula View Post
                                I think it would depend on what the place was like. A "bar" can range from a restaurant that serves alcohol to a place you'd likely get mugged in. This range blurs the line a bit. The purpose of the bar can also I'd imagine range from eating with drinks to socializing to entertaining business clients to just entertainment to just drinking to get drunk too. And I do wonder if some of the unease for some (please note I am not implying anyone in this conversation but am merely discussing it in the abstract) might come less from moral qualms and more from the status of the place (compare a dive bar to a cocktail lounge).

                                And this topic also brings to mind a related question--what about casinos?
                                Casinos are a good place to get poor quickly.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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