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The holiness of God

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    The holiness of God

    Isaiah had a vision in which he saw the Seraphim praising God for his holiness.

    John later saw the same thing.
    Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
    Hebrews 9:22 ESV

    The only blood that atones for human sin is that of Jesus Christ. His resurrection proves that God has accepted his sacrifice. Whoever puts his faith in Christ is made holy and fit to enter the presence of God; anyone who fails to do this must bear the punishment he deserves.

    The holiness of God explains why Hell must be eternal. Anyone who sins against an infinitely holy God deserves eternal punishment.

    When Isaiah saw God his first reaction was a consciousness of his own sinfulness.
    The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
    Leonard Ravenhill
    https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/
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      bling, just trust that God has a good purpose for what is incomprehensible to those of us who are so limited. That is really my answer to every such question, "Just trust Him."
      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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        Originally posted by theophilus View Post
        The holiness of God explains why Hell must be eternal. Anyone who sins against an infinitely holy God deserves eternal punishment.
        Does Scripture teach that God is holy? Yes. Does Scripture teach anon sequitur. Whilst you may respond that I am calling into question what the Bible clearly teaches, in anticipation of such a response I will simply state that I do not believe that Scripture unambiguously teaches the doctrine of endless torture as the fate of the unrighteous.
        Last edited by The Remonstrant; 07-07-2016, 06:18 AM.
        For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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          Originally posted by hoghead
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          I did not suggest that every complex question should be written off. I suggested that when we do not have an answer the thing is to trust God.

          Originally posted by hoghead
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          I disagree on both of these points. The few paradoxes in scripture are illustrations of our complete inability to comprehend God beyond what is revealed. And the supposed contradictions in the Bible do not show disagreement between human authors.
          Last edited by Bill the Cat; 07-20-2016, 08:20 PM.
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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