The Niv Challenge

**EdJones** · February 19th 2003, 06:34 PM

THE NIV CHALLENGE

Try Answering These From Your NIV

By Rex L. Cobb

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INSTRUCTIONS:

Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions.

Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).

Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."

According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?

According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?

According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?

In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.

In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________

According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?

According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?

In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?

In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?

In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?

According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?

In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?

John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?

What happened each year as told in John 5:4?

In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?

In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?

What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?

Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.

Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?

Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.

First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?

In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?

Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?

Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"

Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failed the test, you receive a big goose egg.

(Ed. These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible"?

If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Gal. 4:16

**NSMinistries** · February 19th 2003, 06:36 PM

EdJones:
THE NIV CHALLENGE

Try Answering These From Your NIV

By Rex L. Cobb

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

INSTRUCTIONS:

Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions.

Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).

Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."

According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?

According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?

According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?

In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.

In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________

According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?

According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?

In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?

In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?

In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?

According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?

In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?

John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?

What happened each year as told in John 5:4?

In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?

In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?

What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?

Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.

Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?

Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.

First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?

In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?

Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?

Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"

Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failed the test, you receive a big goose egg.

(Ed. These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible"?

If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Gal. 4:16

(not from footnotes but from the text).

What good can come of this thread...

**Jaltus** · February 19th 2003, 07:29 PM

Um, all of those verses listed are in fact ADDED by the KJV, not deleted from the NIV.

Why is it that KJVO people never argue, they only post silly things like this and expect the rest of us to run scared?

What does this mean:

Psalm 88:13 But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee.

Sure looks like heresy to me!

**GrayPilgrim** · February 19th 2003, 08:01 PM

**GrayPilgrim** · February 19th 2003, 08:04 PM

NSMinistries:
What good can come of this thread...

I looked at an NIV for the first time in years?

**Ric** · February 19th 2003, 10:33 PM

**kiwimac** · February 20th 2003, 12:11 AM

Nope,

This is even more stupid than the man who lay down on his bed after it was on fire!

Kiwimac

**Socrates** · February 20th 2003, 06:40 AM

Good grief, another KJVO with ridiculous question-begging. Not only are these verses added by the so-called Textus Receptus, but all the allegedly missing doctrines are taught elsewhere in the selfsame NIV.

I suggest reading James White's book The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations?, Bethany House, 1995. See a review here. It would be most helpful for informing people of the issues so they can counteract the KJVO evangelists. In fact, the KJVOers themselves should read it to follow Proverbs 18:17:

He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

**Socrates** · February 20th 2003, 06:52 AM

Here's a short list showing that the KJV is undoubtedly totally corrupt because it leaves out certain doctrines, while the NIV has them all. It must be down to that rotten Papist Erasmus who produced the Textus Receptus.

John 14:14, the KJV omits Greek word me, otherwise the translation would be ‘You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it’, i.e. prayer can be offered to Christ, an indication of His deity, as the NIV affirms but the KJV leaves out. Significantly, the JWs claim to base their New World Perversion on the Alexandrian Text, but not here!
Jude 25: KJV omits the phrases ‘through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages’ (NIV). Of course, this conclusively shows that the Byzantine copyists that largely resulted in the so-called Textus Receptus[/i] were corrupting the text to get rid of references to Christ as mediator ...
1 Peter 3:15, the key ‘apologetics’ verse. The TR says: ‘But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts’; while the Alexandrian says: ‘But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord.’ The Alexandrian text directly teaches the Deity of Christ because Peter is referring to texts like Isaiah 5:16 and 8:13 that command that we sanctify the Lord (YHVH) of Hosts and ‘God that is holy’, but Peter applies this to Christ as Lord. All this is lost in the Byzantine text followed by the KJV, but there are no conspiratorial attacks by NIV-only people …. This is mainly because there was no conspiracy, but just the usual tendency in the Byzantine family to harmonize more directly with the OT.
Acts 16:7: ‘spirit of Jesus’ (Alexandrian), while the TR lacks the words ‘of Jesus’. While the Alexandrian text says that Jesus has the authority to send the Holy spirit, which indicates His deity, Byzantine texts lacks this.
John 1:18: Alexandrian calls Jesus ho monogenes theos(unique/ ‘only begotten’ God), while the Byzantine family harmonizes the text to the far more frequent term ho monogones huios = ‘only begotten Son’.
Romans 8:28: The corrupt KJV, based on the TR, says, ‘And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.’ But the Alexandrian has extra words in the Greek ho theos = [the] God, so it makes it clear that things are not working out by themselves, but that God is the one working them out: ‘We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.’

Also, to show that the KJV translators were closet Arians, their translation of Titus 2:13 (and similarly 2 Peter 1:1) is close to the New World Perversion: "of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ", which splits God and Jesus. But the NIV has "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ", a crystal clear statement of the Deity of Christ.

Of course, the latter was quite innocent, and the modern translations have the benefit of Granville Sharp's studies. But imagine if all the above were the other way round, i.e. the KJV had the "better" theology -- wouldn't the accusations fly from the KJVO camp!

**EdJones** · February 24th 2003, 09:40 PM

02-20-2003 @ 10:40 AM
Socrates:

I suggest reading James White's book The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations?, Bethany House, 1995.

Thanks, I have his book and have read it. Here is info on The James White Controversy

**Socrates** · February 24th 2003, 11:21 PM

I wrote:

I suggest reading James White's book The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations?, Bethany House, 1995.

EdJones, our resident KJVO, replied (if you can call it a reply):

Thanks, I have his book and have read it. Here is info on The James White Controversy

Sure doesn't look like it. I've read him, Carson's book on the same lines, as well as the KJVO books by Waite, who's full of errors and slanders against the NIV (although not as crass as yours), and that loopy Riplinger harridan you trust so much.

When you have something of substance as opposed to question-begging, conspiracy theories and juvenile cartoons, please wake us all up.

**kiwimac** · February 25th 2003, 03:27 AM

Unlikely as it seems, I agree with socrates!

Kiwimac

**EdJones** · February 25th 2003, 11:46 AM

One hundred years ago John Burgon wrote:

"If you and I believe that the original writings of the Scriptures were
verbally inspired by God, then of necessity they must have been
providentially preserved through the ages."

Isaiah 66
1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

**GrayPilgrim** · February 25th 2003, 12:05 PM

02-24-2003 @ 08:40 PM
EdJones:

Thanks, I have his book and have read it. Here is info on The James White Controversy

Please refrain from the ad hominem cartoons as they are not condusive for debate.

02-25-2003 @ 10:46 AM
EdJones:

One hundred years ago John Burgon wrote:

"If you and I believe that the original writings of the Scriptures were
verbally inspired by God, then of necessity they must have been
providentially preserved through the ages."

Your use of the logical fallacy of appeal to authority on both of these posts fails to make an argument. I have never heard of this Burgon guy, but I am sorry it is silly to say that there are no text-critical errors in the Bible. The majority texts which KJVO appeal to happen to be text families and not one individual text itself, but is a family of texts that has differances in it.

GP

**Faramir** · February 25th 2003, 12:07 PM

02-25-2003 @ 10:46 AM
EdJones:

One hundred years ago John Burgon wrote:

"If you and I believe that the original writings of the Scriptures were
verbally inspired by God, then of necessity they must have been
providentially preserved through the ages."

And in the 1611 forward to the KJV, the translators stated the following in their note to the readers:

“Nay, we affirm and avow that the meanest translation of the Bible in English is the word of God.”

On page 8 the King James translators talk about making new translations. They ask, “Who would have ever thought that was a fault? To amend it where he saw cause?” Then they say, “That is our business. The difference that appears between our translation and our often correcting of them is the thing that we are especially charged with.”

“Variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures…must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.”

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