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J. Tinsley Oden, Daniel W. Foster and David Daniel of The Academy of Medicine, Engineering and Science of Texas have published an op-ed, in which they claim: Intelligent design is not science.
The tone of the op-ed is somewhat dramatic:
Those gathering storm clouds will play a rôle a bit later, but let us first have a look at the "two recent events" that have activated the concern of leading Texan scientists and engineers:
So, it's the IDists (ICR are more into YEC-land, but give or take a cdesign proponentsists or two, that may amount to the same thing) that are on the march.
The op-ed continues with, what you would expect here -- that "intelligent design" is not science, USA is founded on the separation of church and state, education is within the province of the state, which religious matters are not.
Now, a bit later we come to this juicy bit:
There it is again, the gathering storm. BTW, if anyone's interested in the National Academies report, it is online here. The report is a book, but each chapter can be retrieved.
But it's all about keeping the USA competitive with a focus on education, in particular science education. And clearly, the authors of the op-ed do not think that intelligent design is going to do any good there.
The op-ed continues:
Ok, maybe they are overdoing it a bit, but that "Gathering Storm" at the end is, what we will be concerned with here. The "Gathering Storm" is, of course. the thread to the US economy, but Robert Crowther of the Discovery Institute gets it a bit the wrong way down the throat in this Evolution News & Views article: In Texas, Here Comes the Rain Again.
Crowther begins with:
Very different? Very different? Well, that's not the key issue, is it?
Crowther continues slamming the Darwinists for their frantic rain dancing, and then we are served this:
Ooohhhhh, what do we say? Of course "The Gathering Storm" metaphor comes from Winnies memoirs, where else could it come from?
I mean, friggin' hypocrisy, Richard Weikart is a DI fellow, and has with his book From Darwin to Hitler tried to link Nazism with 'Darwinism, and recently DI fellow John West has in a podcast titled The Dark Darwinian History of Eugenics given a condensed version of Weikart's book, though less flattering for the 'Darwinists'. So who is calling who Nazis?
Returning to Crowther, he ends with these memorable words:
Ok, so what is everybody yelling about? Does this mean that Dembski's and Well's The Design of Life will not be seen anywhere near a school board, or what does it mean?
Last edited by FreezBee; January 28th 2008 at 12:59 PM.
From darkness into light
Like icy shards from the broken mirror within
Melting in the tears from the stars in your eyes
Shining still brighter, still fainter through the darkness
The love between you and me, a trace of dawn
Texas was the first place I went to public school after being out of the continental U.S. for a while. While off the mother continent, I attended schools with extremely high emphasis on science, ditto in the continental U.S. before that.
When I got my high school biology textbook in Texas, I was surprised to see a huge, official stamp on the inside cover that read something like:
"All references to evolution in this textbook are clearly presented as theory and not fact..."
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
In fairness, however, I must point out that both of the high school biology teachers I had in Texas were excellent instructors. I don't recall either of them mentioning anything outside of mainstream science. So it was probably just a school board thing then, as now.
Hopefully, teachers and bright students will continue to actively ignore such. If the powers above them choose to make an issue of that ignoring, it will merely serve to create another Scopes redux. And the anti-science wing of American education has not been doing too well in the court system of late...
-Neil
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Texas was the first place I went to public school after being out of the continental U.S. for a while. While off the mother continent, I attended schools with extremely high emphasis on science, ditto in the continental U.S. before that.
When I got my high school biology textbook in Texas, I was surprised to see a huge, official stamp on the inside cover that read something like:
"All references to evolution in this textbook are clearly presented as theory and not fact..."
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
In fairness, however, I must point out that both of the high school biology teachers I had in Texas were excellent instructors. I don't recall either of them mentioning anything outside of mainstream science. So it was probably just a school board thing then, as now.
Yes, I have read that the school boards in som states introduced rules about stamping biology books like that.
Originally posted by NeilUnreal
Hopefully, teachers and bright students will continue to actively ignore such. If the powers above them choose to make an issue of that ignoring, it will merely serve to create another Scopes redux. And the anti-science wing of American education has not been doing too well in the court system of late...
No, they haven't, and I don't think they will do too well in the future. I am not even sure, why they are trying.
I just read an interview with Michael Cremo (not a DI fellow, but the author of Forbidden Archaeology and as anti-Darwinist as the DI fellows), in which he just asks for 5% of the time.
Well, with a Democratic president in sight, I'll suspect they'll be happy, if they aren't completely wiped out
- FreezBee
From darkness into light
Like icy shards from the broken mirror within
Melting in the tears from the stars in your eyes
Shining still brighter, still fainter through the darkness
The love between you and me, a trace of dawn
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