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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Considering the history of the text of Genesis and Exodus I have no reason to believe the accounts were accurate and historical, nor were there 600,000 witnesses.
    I agree. The Pentateuch is (largely) fictitious. There may be some historical memory and information behind the narrative, but the nature of the sources doesn't allow for any real historical reconstruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psstein View Post
    I agree. The Pentateuch is (largely) fictitious. There may be some historical memory and information behind the narrative, but the nature of the sources doesn't allow for any real historical reconstruction.
    When a document (Deuteronomy) is modeled after a Hittite suzerain treaty current 1,000 years before critics tend to think it was written, I take what critics say with a large grain of salt. I think there's a lot more historicity there than you imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    When a document (Deuteronomy) is modeled after a Hittite suzerain treaty current 1,000 years before critics tend to think it was written, I take what critics say with a large grain of salt. I think there's a lot more historicity there than you imagine.
    Deuteronomy seems to better parallel neo-Assyrian treaties of the 7th century BC, rather than the Hittite treaties. I'll look into it a little further.

    I'm also wondering if you're including the Deuteronomistic history under Deuteronomy. I tend to see Kings/Judges/Samuel as being historically based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psstein View Post
    Deuteronomy seems to better parallel neo-Assyrian treaties of the 7th century BC, rather than the Hittite treaties. I'll look into it a little further.

    I'm also wondering if you're including the Deuteronomistic history under Deuteronomy. I tend to see Kings/Judges/Samuel as being historically based.
    While you're at it, take a look at the affinities between the Ten Commandments and Egyptian antecedents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    While you're at it, take a look at the affinities between the Ten Commandments and Egyptian antecedents.
    I've seen those. Kitchen argued for them in On the Reliability of the Old Testament.

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    Try this website: http://www.schechter.edu/Page.aspx?ID=379562354 (The Schechter Institutes)

    also, http://globalyeshiva.com/051-make-fa...ver-important/ (Global Yeshiva)

    These two websites might steer you toward the information that you need.

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