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Did God create logic? Or is logic further evidence of God’s existence?
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Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postlogic.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostDid God create logic? Or is logic further evidence of God’s existence?
This a common claim by many Christian apologists. Is this really a valid claim? Can these apologists back up these claims without appealing to a circular reasoning logic?
More to follow.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostDid God create logic? Or is logic further evidence of God’s existence?
This a common claim by many Christian apologists. Is this really a valid claim? Can these apologists back up these claims without appealing to a circular reasoning logic?
More to follow.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostPlease provide some links. I've never heard any such claim for all that you've portrayed it as 'common'.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-26-2016, 09:11 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Saying God created logic is like saying God created honesty. Honesty isn't a THING. It is a description of a characteristic that God embodies. It has always existed because God has always existed. He didn't create it. There wasn't some time where God wasn't honest. And there wasn't a time where God wasn't a logical, rational being.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostHow can God have created logic? Doesn't wisdom use logic?
When I claim God created logic I mean "the framework of rational thought in which man's minds operate".
This would be similar to His creation of time which would be "the framework of space that our physical bodies require."
The point of contention with my Christian brethren here is that I don't believe God is any more beholden to logic (man's mind framework) than he is to space/time (man's physical framework).
Seer and other assorted hell bound heretics want to elevate logic to the level of love and make it an eternal thingy. What they miss is that the love we have available to us is probably 'love lite', a downgrade of love that is accessible (and entirely adequate) to mankind. We have the 'Love for Dummies' version and we are probably incapable of understanding love the way the Trinity understands and experiences love. Never fear, what we have is more than enough.
If you need to know anything else just ask me.
Everyone else here will lead you astray.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostI think offering theories about what God created or didn't create in eternity past is an exercise in futility.
When I claim God created logic I mean "the framework of rational thought in which man's minds operate".
This would be similar to His creation of time which would be "the framework of space that our physical bodies require."
The point of contention with my Christian brethren here is that I don't believe God is any more beholden to logic (man's mind framework) than he is to space/time (man's physical framework).
Seer and other assorted hell bound heretics want to elevate logic to the level of love and make it an eternal thingy. What they miss is that the love we have available to us is probably 'love lite', a downgrade of love that is accessible (and entirely adequate) to mankind. We have the 'Love for Dummies' version and we are probably incapable of understanding love the way the Trinity understands and experiences love. Never fear, what we have is more than enough.
If you need to know anything else just ask me.
Everyone else here will lead you astray.
Can there be a God and no God at the same time and in the same way? No. Therefore Logic is not something God made up. it is something that IS. As long as God has existed, so has logic.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo if God made us irrational, does that mean that logic wouldn't still exist? That if there were one apple sitting on a table and another were added, that there would not then be two apples? Or that the apple could not be a cow at the same time? Do things like that require humans to even exist? No. Logic is independent of our minds or even our existence.
Nope.
Can God exist without space?
Yes.
God isn't limited by the physical framework He built for us.
All I'm claiming here is that He also isn't limited by the mental framework He built for us.
Just as Jesus Christ stepped into time/space and limited His divinity to communicate with us so also did He step into the logical/rational framework and limited His divinity to communicate with us. It is nearly effortless to illustrate this: All logical arguments (as we understand them) are dependent upon time. The classic logical syllogism is a couple of premises followed by a conclusion - without time (a sequence) the fundamental laws of logic wouldn't even apply.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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