Hillary's Troubles Solidify

[rogue06]

Yeah apparently received wisdom in D.C. is that if Clinton is forced to drop out by the FBI, then they'll sub-in Biden in her place. I doubt they could do that successfully without destroying the party.

They could possibly provide themselves some cover if they could roll out multiple polls showing: (a) Biden being more popular than Sanders among democratic primary voters, or (b) Biden doing better in match-ups against Trump. But past polling data suggests that Sanders would easily be the stronger candidate on both those things.

What about a Biden-Warren ticket?

[Starlight]

What about a Biden-Warren ticket?

That might be able to work if they could convince Sanders to publicly endorse it. If he chose to publicly oppose it, it would fail.

[Terraceth]

What about a Biden-Warren ticket?

If the goal is to win over Sanders supporters with Biden-Warren, why not eschew the middleman entirely and go Biden-Sanders?

[seanD]

Anyone with Warren against Sanders would be pretty smart, being that she and Sanders are the only ones that are openly expressive about the banking/wallstreet corruption. In fact, I think that's a great deal of Sanders' appeal (of course, giving the Sanders' supporters the benefit of the doubt that they're even knowledgeable about the scope of wallstreet corruption that's taking place). I'd be surprised if an establishment guy like Biden would go with Warren for that reason though. Would be kind of strange for Biden to get all those "donations" from the big banks with Warren as his mate.

[Jaecp]

The benefit of the doubt?

It's a huge part of his appeal. It's common knowledge among his supporters

[seanD]

The benefit of the doubt?

It's a huge part of his appeal. It's common knowledge among his supporters

Maybe. Though I'm still not entirely convinced they're not just attracted to "free college" and "free healthcare" for all slogans (in spite of the fact US is already a socialist country). The fact he's attacked wallstreet might just be the ill sentiments millennials have towards wealthy folks in general as opposed to actually understanding the complexities of central banking corruption which requires actually being informed about things that aren't typically discussed in mainstream media.

[Jaecp]

The idea that sanders supports just want free stuff is an invention. I do hope you're quote wrapping that because you know it's about relocating tax dollars.

Sanders supporters have many reasons to support him and those who have become fans are well aware of his arguments about banking. It's not typically discussed in the mainstream media, but that's not the media they use. Remember when there was an empty podium of trump while Sanders addressed a massive crowd? Sanders supporters mostly use the net for their news, particularly TYT

[Bill the Cat]

Maybe. Though I'm still not entirely convinced they're not just attracted to "free college" and "free healthcare" for all slogans

Of COURSE that's what it is all about. Just ask them.

[seanD]

The idea that sanders supports just want free stuff is an invention. I do hope you're quote wrapping that because you know it's about relocating tax dollars.

Sanders supporters have many reasons to support him and those who have become fans are well aware of his arguments about banking. It's not typically discussed in the mainstream media, but that's not the media they use. Remember when there was an empty podium of trump while Sanders addressed a massive crowd? Sanders supporters mostly use the net for their news, particularly TYT

Fair enough. I'll assume all the Sanders' supporters at the Trump rallies I saw interviewed don't represent your typical Sanders supporter. And TYT? Dude, seriously.

[Bill the Cat]

The idea that sanders supports just want free stuff is an invention.

Sure it is...

Go to a college campus and ask them.

[seanD]

Also, polls like this...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...of-capitalism/

[Starlight]

Also, polls like this...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...of-capitalism/

Yup, young people like socialism and distrust capitalism. Can confirm. I'm one of them.

All my life, living in a capitalist country, I've seen how the rich people running the businesses underpay their workers and funnel the profits from the hard work of their employees into their own pockets. I've seen that the problem is the way that our businesses are structured is designed by rich people in order to make rich people richer. So what's needed? We need to change how businesses are structured, in order to give more power and money to the workers whose work actually generates the products and the profits. Workers need representation on the board of companies (like they have in Germany). Workers need stronger unions, to stand up for their rights, like we used to have here in the 60s but which the rich have managed to almost completely do away with. We need employees to have a proper share in the profits the company is making, by virtue of them owning shares in the company or by virtue of the company being a co-op, like some companies already do. Likewise, the government needs to strengthen the redistribution of wealth via taxation, bringing taxation and equality of wealth and income back to the sorts levels it was in the 60s, to stop the runaway increases in inequality that we've seen happen since the 80s due to gratuitous lowering of taxes on the rich that was implemented in the 80s to the present.

And we roll our eyes when dumb old people confuse this with their pet bogey-man of "communism" (which we have zero interest in resurrecting) and in their confused minds think we want "big guberment" to be running all the businesses and making all the business decisions or something. No, we don't want government to be running the businesses, we want the employees to have a say in the running of their businesses. We want the workers to actually have some power and not simply be oppressed and exploited by the fat-cat rich capitalist overlords.

[seanD]

You guys have left me even less convinced than I was from post #64.

[Cow Poke]

Maybe. Though I'm still not entirely convinced they're not just attracted to "free college" and "free healthcare" for all slogans (in spite of the fact US is already a socialist country).

When the Bernsters are asked why they're for Bernie - they haven't got a clue. They just know they're supposed to be. Oh, and they want free stuff.

[Starlight]

When the Bernsters are asked why they're for Bernie - they haven't got a clue.

Is this in your imagination?

Cos I've watched plenty of video of reporters chatting to the average supporters of various candidates at events, and the Sanders supporters are generally the most coherent about why they're supporting their candidate.