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    Would like to debate regarding an issue of Christology.

    It is my contention that it is blindly supposed that the preincarnate (John 1:2) Word who is the Son of God was "eternally begotten of the Father from eternity." I would like to debate this with someone who will defend that view from the 66 books of the Bible.
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    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    "blindly supposed"?

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    "blindly supposed"?
    If not, what holy scripture teaches such? At best it could be an interpretation. Not an explicit teaching of the word of God. Those are the reasons I propose this debate.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Is there not anyone on Tweb willing to argue - debate a Biblical defence for the notion that the only-begotten Son was "eternally begotten of the Father from eternity?"
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Why don't you lay out your case on the Christianity forum for people to see and challenge if they don't agree with you. I am interested in what you say but don't want the formality of a debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abigail View Post
    Why don't you lay out your case on the Christianity forum for people to see and challenge if they don't agree with you. I am interested in what you say but don't want the formality of a debate.
    The ownership has contended that I am not "orthodox" over this issue and one other issue in regard to Chirst as both God and Logos before His incarnation. So at this time I am band from posting in the two "Christian Only" forums except by permission. All such group discussions have been to no avial. And it was an attempt to discuss this which got me into this "trouble."

    Tweb statement before:
    Jesus Christ
    Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary being fully human and fully God. He lived a sinless life and through His substitutionary death, atoned for our sins. He was bodily resurrected and ascended into Heaven. He will return bodily, personally, and visibly.


    Tweb statement as a result of my attempt to discuss the matter:
    Jesus Christ
    Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is eternal and shares the nature of God with the Father and Holy Spirit. We believe He is eternally one with the Father, eternally God, and that He is eternally begotten of the Father from eternity. He serves as our mediator with the Father. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, fully taking on a human nature while retaining fully His divine nature. He lived a sinless life and through His death, atoned for our sins. He was bodily resurrected and ascended into Heaven. He will return bodily, personally, and visibly.

    I underlined what was added to for my exclusion on account of my attempt.
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    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    The ownership has contended that I am not "orthodox".....
    Ah, so THAT's what this is all about!

    1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

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    Maybe someone should simply provide the Biblical basis that the preincarnate Christ being the Logos was eternally begotten of the Father from eternity.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Maybe someone should simply provide the Biblical basis that the preincarnate Christ being the Logos was eternally begotten of the Father from eternity.
    I am still waiting for someone to debate me on this. Since I hold that notion of rhe eternal Son of God somehow being eternally begotten is not according to the Word of God.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    In the begining was the word and the word was with God and was God. He was with God in the begining.
    Gospel of John.
    Now as we know Jesus, God the father, and the holy spirit are three distinct beings coequal in glory and majesty. Thus if God is eternal and acausal which he is then each figure of the trinity must to be this way.

    To say that the son or the sporit is not of the same substance is heresy. Arianism.

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