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  • Would like to debate regarding an issue of Christology.

    It is my contention that it is blindly supposed that the preincarnate (John 1:2) Word who is the Son of God was "eternally begotten of the Father from eternity." I would like to debate this with someone who will defend that view from the 66 books of the Bible.
    Last edited by 37818; 05-28-2016, 04:57 PM.
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

  • #2
    "blindly supposed"?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      "blindly supposed"?
      If not, what holy scripture teaches such? At best it could be an interpretation. Not an explicit teaching of the word of God. Those are the reasons I propose this debate.
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #4
        Is there not anyone on Tweb willing to argue - debate a Biblical defence for the notion that the only-begotten Son was "eternally begotten of the Father from eternity?"
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • #5
          Why don't you lay out your case on the Christianity forum for people to see and challenge if they don't agree with you. I am interested in what you say but don't want the formality of a debate.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Abigail View Post
            Why don't you lay out your case on the Christianity forum for people to see and challenge if they don't agree with you. I am interested in what you say but don't want the formality of a debate.
            The ownership has contended that I am not "orthodox" over this issue and one other issue in regard to Chirst as both God and Logos before His incarnation. So at this time I am band from posting in the two "Christian Only" forums except by permission. All such group discussions have been to no avial. And it was an attempt to discuss this which got me into this "trouble."

            Tweb statement before:
            Jesus Christ
            Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary being fully human and fully God. He lived a sinless life and through His substitutionary death, atoned for our sins. He was bodily resurrected and ascended into Heaven. He will return bodily, personally, and visibly.


            Tweb statement as a result of my attempt to discuss the matter:
            Jesus Christ
            Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is eternal and shares the nature of God with the Father and Holy Spirit. We believe He is eternally one with the Father, eternally God, and that He is eternally begotten of the Father from eternity. He serves as our mediator with the Father. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, fully taking on a human nature while retaining fully His divine nature. He lived a sinless life and through His death, atoned for our sins. He was bodily resurrected and ascended into Heaven. He will return bodily, personally, and visibly.

            I underlined what was added to for my exclusion on account of my attempt.
            Last edited by 37818; 07-05-2016, 08:43 AM.
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
              The ownership has contended that I am not "orthodox".....
              Ah, so THAT's what this is all about!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Maybe someone should simply provide the Biblical basis that the preincarnate Christ being the Logos was eternally begotten of the Father from eternity.
                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                  Maybe someone should simply provide the Biblical basis that the preincarnate Christ being the Logos was eternally begotten of the Father from eternity.
                  I am still waiting for someone to debate me on this. Since I hold that notion of rhe eternal Son of God somehow being eternally begotten is not according to the Word of God.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #10
                    In the begining was the word and the word was with God and was God. He was with God in the begining.
                    Gospel of John.
                    Now as we know Jesus, God the father, and the holy spirit are three distinct beings coequal in glory and majesty. Thus if God is eternal and acausal which he is then each figure of the trinity must to be this way.

                    To say that the son or the sporit is not of the same substance is heresy. Arianism.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                      In the begining was the word and the word was with God and was God. He was with God in the begining.
                      Gospel of John.
                      Now as we know Jesus, God the father, and the holy spirit are three distinct beings coequal in glory and majesty. Thus if God is eternal and acausal which he is then each figure of the trinity must to be this way.

                      To say that the son or the spirit is not of the same substance is heresy. Arianism.
                      Yes. And that is not at issue. BTW the Son is the very Light of God's glory [John 1:9; Hebrews 1:3]. And all appearences of God is the Son [John 1;18; Isaiah 6:5 - John 12:41; John 14:6, 9]. The Son with the Holy Spirit are co-eternal with the Father they being the One God [Psalm 90:2].
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                        In the begining was the word and the word was with God and was God. He was with God in the begining.
                        Gospel of John.
                        Now as we know Jesus, God the father, and the holy spirit are three distinct beings coequal in glory and majesty. Thus if God is eternal and acausal which he is then each figure of the trinity must to be this way.

                        To say that the son or the sporit is not of the same substance is heresy. Arianism.
                        I would recommend that you not tackle this tar baby. We've had this discussion; he just didn't like the results, and wants to keep re-litigating.
                        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          I would recommend that you not tackle this tar baby. We've had this discussion; he just didn't like the results, and wants to keep re-litigating.
                          Expain what you mean by "tar baby?" The result has been name calling - calling me unorthodox. Without any Biblical basis. None what so ever. Am I wrong? Debate me.
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            I would recommend that you not tackle this tar baby. We've had this discussion; he just didn't like the results, and wants to keep re-litigating.
                            This is a tactic of avoiding a debate by saying a disagreement as a sticky situation. It is sticky because that interpretation that the pre-incarnate Christ who is eternally one with the Father, being He is eternally God, and that it is being said that He is eternally begotten of the Father from eternity is not taught in any way in the Word of God. A debate that cannot be won defending that false notion.
                            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              This is a tactic of avoiding a debate by saying a disagreement as a sticky situation. It is sticky because that interpretation that the pre-incarnate Christ who is eternally one with the Father, being He is eternally God, and that it is being said that He is eternally begotten of the Father from eternity is not taught in any way in the Word of God. A debate that cannot be won defending that false notion.
                              Actually, it's a recommendation to a new Christian to not get caught up in a debate we've already had. It is only sticky because you refuse to let it go.
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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