Thread: How is it so?
September 6th 2008, 08:48 PM #16
September 6th 2008, 08:50 PM #17
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Re: How is it so?"If tonight is Cher night in TWeb chat, then I must have been wrong and there is a hell afterall"-XMansMommy in Paltalk on August 29th, 2008
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September 7th 2008, 12:33 AM #18
Re: How is it so?Biologos101
You can't have the "facts" without debate. Someone is always going to disagree with the "facts". And even disagreeing with the "facts" by presenting your own "facts" is going to be debating."I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."
"So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought."
-Frodo and Gandalf the Grey in Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
"Whoever saves one life, saves the world entire."
-The Talmud, quoted in Schindler's List
"Many folk like to know beforehand what is to be set on the table; but those who have labored to prepare the feast like to keep their secret; for wonder makes the words of praise louder."
Gandalf the White in Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
September 7th 2008, 03:19 AM #19
Re: How is it so?"There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." Mark Twain. 'Life on the Mississippi'
September 17th 2008, 08:19 PM #20
Re: How is it so?
I don't really see why a literal week is any better at making sense of the commandment to observe the Sabbath than a symbolic one.
As for how I came by my views you can put the blame on two Christians, one whose name you know, one you won't.
The name you won't know is that of my high-school geography teacher. Geography, of course, doesn't really cover geology, but it does cover major land formations such as mountain ranges and resources such as coal and oil. As he was discoursing on some such topic (to which I was paying little attention as I found the whole subject a complete bore) it did occur to me that he took an old earth for granted.
I might not have noticed, as everyone I knew took an old earth for granted, but recently I had been reading some creationist literature so this time I took note. I also took note that he was a Christian. I knew he attended church, sang in the choir and was staff advisor to the Bible Club.
That satisfied me that an old earth was not problematical for a Christian.
The name you will know is C. S. Lewis. I was reading Mere Christianity and in one passage he speaks of "true myth" of how the ancient stories of Israel were, like those of their neighbours, myths, but while the other myths were false, God had given Israel true myths. And the light switched on. If myths could be true without being history, then there is no conflict between a scientific view of nature and the tales of scripture.
So that led me to a way of understanding and interpreting scripture that I have found very fruitful and satisfying. In many ways I think it gets to the profundity of scriptural teaching better than literalism.
January 15th 2009, 12:30 AM #21
Re: How is it so?
Since I am new to the board, even the old threads are new to me. My belief in a YEC comes not from my interpretation of Genesis nor my knowledge of "indisputable" science. Both my exegesis and theoretical proofs could be wrong. My belief comes from what I hear Jesus saying about the OT stories in the NT. He appears to be confirming a literal Adam and Eve, an actual global flood that destroyed everyone except eight people, and a man surviving for three days after being swallowed by a big fish. All of these stories would seem pretty improbable to me, but if Jesus validates them, I am with him. I will stop here to honor the "no debate" request.
May 27th 2009, 10:42 PM #22
Re: How is it so?
I hold to the literalism of the 7 days of creation but do not believe that the earth itself was created within the 7 days. Nor do I believe that the 7 days are 7 of our days but 7 days according to the reckoning of time of 1000 to 1.
Gen 1:1-2 tells us that the earth and it's heaven were created in the beginning. Not during the seven days. After the heaven and the earth were created, God said let there be light and there was light. From that time forward were the 7 days reckoned. Each morning and evening were considered a day. The light came after the creation of the earth and it was by the dividing of this light from darkness that the days were then reckoned. Notice that the light that was used to reckon the days was not our sun. Our sun was placed in relation to our earth on the 4th day of these 7 days of creation. The light used to reckon the 7 days of creation was not from our sun.
2 Pet. 3: 8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
I believe this applies to the 7 days of creation. In other words, each day of the creation was about 1000 years of our time. So in my estimation, the 7 days of creation were about 7000 years of our time. I believe the temporal existence of this earth will be approximately the same.
May 30th 2009, 02:26 AM #23
Re: How is it so?
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