The Death Of Jan Crouch

[seer]

And there really isn't any excuse in defending statements from a satire website that misleads people into thinking that people have said things they have not. That's the very definition of bearing false witness.

That is my fault, I did not vet the site (seer shoots from the hip, how unusual!), but the statements were not out of character from what I have seen from them over the years. And I have had sincere Christian friends who were followers of Hinn, and I blame Hinn not them - and I do blame him.

[JonathanL]

I'm with DesertBerean on this. I know a lot of people in the Word of Faith movement. A lot of sincere and righteous Christians who love God with all their heart, and have given their lives to helping others. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Truthfully. But I've been to plenty of Word of Faith churches in my time, and while I also disagree with quite a bit of their doctrine, I've NEVER heard any pastor tell his parishioners in those churches to forego medical treatment. Quite the opposite. Every one of them that I've been to emphasized that faithfulness means seeking medical treatment alongside praying and believing for perfect health.

And there really isn't any excuse in defending statements from a satire website that misleads people into thinking that people have said things they have not. That's the very definition of bearing false witness.

I do not know about regular members of the WoF movement, but when it comes to public leaders of the movement such as Hinn, Osteen, Copeland and such, I don't think what people here have said has come even close to being too hostile when it comes to criticizing what they're teaching and doing.

[DesertBerean]

And I believe the Amish don't seek treatment either. Wasn't there a case recently where a court ordered treatment for an Amish child?

[Sparko]

And I believe the Amish don't seek treatment either. Wasn't there a case recently where a court ordered treatment for an Amish child?

not that I know of. Amish will seek treatment when ill. They might not like some technology but they have doctors themselves and will even take their sick to our hospitals when needed.

http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-visit-doctors/

[DesertBerean]

Your link isn't working. And I stand corrected; the Amish DO seek medical treatment.

[DesertBerean]

We had what become a national story regarding denial of medical treatment by faith happen right here in Barstow, years ago. I don't recall the family name, but the parents of a child decided not to seek treatment for the child's cancer. Their pastor NEVER told them to do that.

And I stand corrected on this as well...it was diabetes, not cancer. I finally found an article that jogged my memory further. It started before my coming to Barstow, and became a major discussion in my A/G church (not the same as the Parkers') about seeking medical treatment (which we *always* have practiced). The article gives a good summary of the details (far as I know of the case) before going into its own analysis of why it all happened.

https://medium.com/galleys/the-faith...090#.qubdktnor

[mossrose]

WoF is indeed bad doctrine. I'm just concerned at the level of anger I perceive here, and, well...I'm sorry about your experiences...

This IS a satire website...

I am angry because of the lies these people tell to those who are hungry for an easy road to wealth and health, which is never delivered. They twist scripture and they preach a different Jesus and a different gospel. The people that follow them are like the crowds who followed Jesus because He fed them and healed them. And so many left Him when He was arrested and crucified. They were ONLY there for the miracles.

This movement is pervasive and the roots of it are evil. I am sure that there are a great many sincere pastors and followers who think they are ok. But they still need the truth proclaimed to them.

As I said earlier, it is too late to reach Jan Crouch. But it is not too late to reach the hundreds of millions of others worldwide who need the truth proclaimed to them.

If you want to know about the damage this movement does, then I urge you to watch these:

http://www.gty.org/Resources/strangefire/messages

All the messages are free to watch or listen to. And the information they hold is invaluable regarding this vile movement.

[rogue06]

I find them deeply embarrassing, and not in the least harmless.

I have no respect for those who preach prosperity theology. We have a prominent example here in Atlanta aptly named Creflo Dollar

[One Bad Pig]

I have no respect for those who preach prosperity theology. We have a prominent example here in Atlanta aptly named Creflo Dollar

Deliberately apt; IIRC, he chose it.

[seer]

I have no respect for those who preach prosperity theology. We have a prominent example here in Atlanta aptly named Creflo Dollar

Hehe, we get Mr. Dollar on our stations up here!

[Catholicity]

[Raphael]

It's a satire article Cath.

[Catholicity]

I won't comment on Jan Crouch's salvation as I know a lot of decent sincere people who get lost in wof. However TBN clearly attracts people who are more interested in Money and subduing men than what God thinks of them.

[Raphael]

I won't comment on Jan Crouch's salvation as I know a lot of decent sincere people who get lost in wof. However TBN clearly attracts people who are more interested in Money and subduing men than what God thinks of them.

I also know one person who has a show on TBN who is the complete opposite of that. Angus Buchan.

[Cerebrum123]

I also know one person who has a show on TBN who is the complete opposite of that. Angus Buchan.

I think D. James Kennedy was on there too, and he wasn't WoF. He seemed to be one of the rare few who were actually good on there.