Politics and Population...

[Zeluvia]

Population crowding affecting attitudes, moral views, and politics...

Just some random musing...books to read would be appreciated

1. Provisioned populations of monkeys in Japan engage in more social activities, which creates more social tension, and more aggression.

Does this crowding affect people?

Are attitudes affected by the number of people you see each day?
The number of "strange" vs "familiar" faces?

In a rural environment, the "stranger" would be the exception to the rule.

In an urban environment, the "familiar" would be the exception to the rule.

In a rural environment, how many different people would you see each day? In a urban?

Where would the suburbs fit? Are they really MIDDLE scale? Are suburbs/neighborhoods in effect small towns, or are they really extensions of the cities? Does it vary?

Does constant exposure to multiple strangers cause stress, and bio-chemical responses, or do city-dwellers "adapt" with actual physical changes?

Is this maybe ONE difference between "red" state attitudes and "blue" state attitudes, much simplified of course.

[JusticeMachine]

Population crowding affecting attitudes, moral views, and politics...

Just some random musing...books to read would be appreciated

1. Provisioned populations of monkeys in Japan engage in more social activities, which creates more social tension, and more aggression.

Does this crowding affect people?

Are attitudes affected by the number of people you see each day?
The number of "strange" vs "familiar" faces?

In a rural environment, the "stranger" would be the exception to the rule.

In an urban environment, the "familiar" would be the exception to the rule.

In a rural environment, how many different people would you see each day? In a urban?

Where would the suburbs fit? Are they really MIDDLE scale? Are suburbs/neighborhoods in effect small towns, or are they really extensions of the cities? Does it vary?

Does constant exposure to multiple strangers cause stress, and bio-chemical responses, or do city-dwellers "adapt" with actual physical changes?

Is this maybe ONE difference between "red" state attitudes and "blue" state attitudes, much simplified of course.

I would think that people tend to objectify one another more as crowding increase. People become less personable toward one another, because there are too many minor relationships each individual deals with directly, that the propensity is to not develop relationships with depth. When you dilute the personal focus of person from say 1:10 in a day, to say 1:100 in a day, a person can't help but create less meaningful bonds. Now add to that, that the majority of the 100 relationship engaged in, in a given day, are not repetitive engagements from one day to another, you further weaken any personal bond that would be created.

The more people become an object to be dealt with and less a person to relate to, the easier it would be to act out violently toward them. Also, the more estrange or removed an individual becomes from deep, meaningful, reflective, reciprical relationships, the less fulfilled and the more frustrated and despondent the individual would become, also adding to more aggressive feelings.

This is my observation, I am not educated in this area, but it seem to be plain to me.

[Paintbucket]

Well, I wouldn't go as far as putting that in Red states vs. Blue states. The South and Midwest vote conservative (Modern Republicans). The Northeast and West Coast vote liberal (Modern Democrat). The interesting thing is to look at the swing states (Florida, Ohio, Missouri, New Hampshire) and see how they vote. Cities tend to vote liberal, rural areas tend to vote conservative. I'd say crowding has some effect, but not a large one. Other factors mean more.

[FreezBee]

Population crowding affecting attitudes, moral views, and politics...

Just some random musing...books to read would be appreciated

1. Provisioned populations of monkeys in Japan engage in more social activities, which creates more social tension, and more aggression.

Does this crowding affect people?

It sure does, but I doubt it is the crowding as such -- it is rather that (as you write subsequently) that more of the people we meet are strangers.

Are attitudes affected by the number of people you see each day?
The number of "strange" vs "familiar" faces?

In a rural environment, the "stranger" would be the exception to the rule.

In an urban environment, the "familiar" would be the exception to the rule.

In a rural environment, how many different people would you see each day? In a urban?

Where would the suburbs fit? Are they really MIDDLE scale? Are suburbs/neighborhoods in effect small towns, or are they really extensions of the cities? Does it vary?

It probably varies for suburbs. Many people with addresses in suburbs work in the city center and primarily use their homes for sleeping.

Does constant exposure to multiple strangers cause stress, and bio-chemical responses, or do city-dwellers "adapt" with actual physical changes?

Actual physical changes?

Is this maybe ONE difference between "red" state attitudes and "blue" state attitudes, much simplified of course.

Well, I think that we should build a high wall around the USA and make an international law that no one on the inside is allowed to enter the outside.


- FreezBee

[Faramir]

I'm not so sure that this is not putting the cart before the horse. It seems to me that there is a correlation between people who desire to live in a large city and people who are more liberal.

I have no proof or support for this, just my own thoughts.

[Zeluvia]

Lets look at it another way....

If you are used to seeing strangers every day in large numbers, do you fear them just because you don't know them?

If you are NOT used to seeing strangers every day, do you fear them?

[Zeluvia]

I'm not so sure that this is not putting the cart before the horse. It seems to me that there is a correlation between people who desire to live in a large city and people who are more liberal.

I have no proof or support for this, just my own thoughts.

I don't think most people CHOOSE where they live based on population dynamics.

I certainly CHOOSE where I live based on family (farthest possible distance from) friends (least likely to ask me to borrow money) jobs (where I can make a living) climate (shovel snow? no thanks) and lifestyle (tacos !! yes !!)

[norwegen]

I feel like I'm just another pretty face here.

[Zeluvia]

It sure does, but I doubt it is the crowding as such -- it is rather that (as you write subsequently) that more of the people we meet are strangers.



It probably varies for suburbs. Many people with addresses in suburbs work in the city center and primarily use their homes for sleeping.



Actual physical changes?



Well, I think that we should build a high wall around the USA and make an international law that no one on the inside is allowed to enter the outside.


- FreezBee

Ha Freez...aren't you danish or so? = )

one of those little countries that would fit in Texas and has no excuse not to be a state in the European Union except you think you have an Unique culture and silly language that uses alot of silly things over vowels that are totally unnecessary and make typing in MMO games that much harder?

sug pung, my dear = )

or besame ma cul

PS, that is my garbled swedish and french, but you get the point = )

*hugs*

Okay my Danish Friends came through

Jeres moder var en nauvnlig lugt ged....

I hope you appreciate the trouble I go through for you = )

[Zeluvia]

I feel like I'm just another pretty face here.

aww hun

I hear you have nice abs, long sensuous fingers, and buns of steel = )

[FreezBee]

Ha Freez...aren't you danish or so? = )

Well, that's what my passport says

one of those little countries that would fit in Texas and has no excuse not to be a state in the European Union except you think you have an Unique culture and silly language that uses alot of silly things over vowels that are totally unnecessary and make typing in MMO games that much harder?

You are just envious because you only have three letters in your alphabet: A to C

sug pung, my dear = )

or besame ma cul

PS, that is my garbled swedish and french, but you get the point = )

As I've said before: I really love it, when you talk dirty to me

*hugs*

You can't bribe me

Okay my Danish Friends came through

Jeres moder var en nauvnlig lugt ged....

Your (plural) mother was a [unintelligible word] smell goat

Are you sure your friends really are Danish?

I hope you appreciate the trouble I go through for you = )

Well, I sure do


- FreezBee

[FreezBee]

Is this maybe ONE difference between "red" state attitudes and "blue" state attitudes, much simplified of course.

Ummm, I just picked up from a newspaper this morning that it's the genes of people that define their political views. Lone Frank, Ph.D. in biology, aqnd well-known anti-IDist, triumphantly claims that research contradicts the prevailing hypothesis that it's the life of people that shape their political views, and that in stead the research shows that genes are a primary factor.

Just to humor your old biological-reductionist <3 (see, I've learned it!)


- FreezBee

[themuzicman]

I have on my reading list a book called "A Theology of City" - I'll have to look up the author. I believe it looks at "city" as a rebellion against God's command to "fill the earth."

[Ryokan]

I wonder how large the effect of urban vs. rural is in the big picture. After all, human beings are much, much less vioelnt than they were 500 years ago, much less 1000 or 10,000. We are also more open minded and cosmopolitian. And we live more packed together in cities now than ever before. Over half the species lives in a city now.

[Ryokan]

I have on my reading list a book called "A Theology of City" - I'll have to look up the author. I believe it looks at "city" as a rebellion against God's command to "fill the earth."

It looks pretty filled to me!