How bad is the police abuse?

[Truthseeker]

IIRC Billy the Cat said that police abuse was still rare. Maybe so, but in 2014 people lost more wealth to federal forfeiture than to burglary, according to Institute for Justice and FBI Crime Reports [Laissez Faire Today 20160603]. Back in 2004, wealth lost to burglary dwarfed that lost to federal forfeiture.

Let me add that state police forfeiture should also be counted.


Another thing. Using this sentence, "Police beat up more people than criminals do" I googled around and found this article by Paul Craig Roberts: "Police are more dangerous than are criminals." http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013...craig-roberts/

[Starlight]

It seems like it's pretty bad. A reform we found made a massive difference here in NZ was the introduction of the Police Complaints Authority - a completely independent agency for investigating complaints about the police. It resulted in huge changes for the better in police culture.

[Bill the Cat]

IIRC Billy the Cat said that police abuse was still rare.

And it is. And don't call me Billy. That's not my name here. If you choose to disrespect me, you will get the same in return.

Maybe so,

NOT maybe.

but in 2014 people lost more wealth to federal forfeiture than to burglary, according to Institute for Justice and FBI Crime Reports [Laissez Faire Today 20160603].

And rightly so, considering what federal forfeiture is. Nearly all comes from criminals forfeiting their loot.

Back in 2004, wealth lost to burglary dwarfed that lost to federal forfeiture.

Citation please.

Let me add that state police forfeiture should also be counted.


Another thing. Using this sentence, "Police beat up more people than criminals do" I googled around and found this article by Paul Craig Roberts: "Police are more dangerous than are criminals." http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013...craig-roberts/

Roberts is a liberal moron. That article was nothing but a bile filled piece of trash. When he says "The American police perform no positive function", we know he is worth nothing as a commentator. Pathetic tool.

[eider]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police..._United_Stateswww.huffingtonpost.com/news/police-brutality/

That same fact still applies to almost ALL of the young African-American men and
.... The Uncertain Fate Of The Man In The Police Brutality Image That Shocked ...
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http://www.aol.com/.../5...police-br...y.../21252144/

22 Oct 2015 ... As part of National Day of Protest Against Police Brutality. ... Black Americans are
more than twice likely to be unarmed when killed during ...
Police Violence: US Cops Killed More People this Year than in 2014 ...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/police-...ore.../5497416

22 Dec 2015 ... At least 1,160 people have been killed by US police in 2015, according to an
online aggregator of police killings, exceeding last year's figure of ...
25 Shocking Facts About the Epidemic of Police Brutality in America
mic.com/articles/.../25-actual-facts-about-police-brutality-in-america
3 Jun 2015 ... The recent unveiling of the Counted, a tracking system designed by the Guardian
to count the number of civilians killed by police, has brought ...

[Bill the Cat]

Eider, when a certain segment of America commits a disproportionate amount of the total crimes committed, then it stands to reason that they will be arrested at a higher rate, despite their overall numbers.

[Cow Poke]

Meanwhile, even more blacks are being murdered in our larger cities, presumably due to the "Ferguson Effect".

Oh, and most blacks are killed by other blacks.

[Carrikature]

And rightly so, considering what federal forfeiture is. Nearly all comes from criminals forfeiting their loot.

Even given this latter point, there's a lot of room for improvement in how it's applied. Which, frankly, is true of a lot of police procedures IMO. I understand and respect the need for officers to have the freedom to make judgments in the moment while having overwhelmingly negative experiences with it in practice (usually not directed at me personally). That said, it might help if we could raise the bar a bit on who's allowed to join.

[Bill the Cat]

Even given this latter point, there's a lot of room for improvement in how it's applied. Which, frankly, is true of a lot of police procedures IMO. I understand and respect the need for officers to have the freedom to make judgments in the moment while having overwhelmingly negative experiences with it in practice (usually not directed at me personally). That said, it might help if we could raise the bar a bit on who's allowed to join.

Yeah. No one is perfect. There ARE instances, but they are rare.

[Carrikature]

Yeah. No one is perfect. There ARE instances, but they are rare.

I think we're talking about different things.

[Bill the Cat]

I think we're talking about different things.

I mean instances of abuse of authority.

[Carrikature]

I mean instances of abuse of authority.

In that case, I don't think it's rare at all. I see that sort of thing all the time, and I know I'm not alone in that.

[Bill the Cat]

In that case, I don't think it's rare at all. I see that sort of thing all the time, and I know I'm not alone in that.

By police officers?

[Truthseeker]

I apologize for ticking you off by using "Billy" instead of "Bill." But, good grief, such a trivial thing.

I am not going to bother giving you the reference you asked for. You'd just find fault. I have nothing more data to post as of now anyway.

[eider]

Eider, when a certain segment of America commits a disproportionate amount of the total crimes committed, then it stands to reason that they will be arrested at a higher rate, despite their overall numbers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/inv...t-nearly-1000/

[Sea of red]

By police officers?

By pretty much every authority.

I want to be able to support police officers - I really do. Just like everybody else, I recognize a need for people with guns to make the tough decisions. With that said, the police unions (like all unions) have just about destroyed the morale of a once proud profession. It's kind of like the RCC in that the crooked people are protected in the name of what is good public relations.

Do I think all cops are violent nut-jobs? No. Do I think all cops want to inflict harm on citizens? Not at all. Are some of the people that are in cases of police brutality idiots? Yes.

But I see a lot of people that are on the police force have no business being members. I also police not being active and critical enough of their fellow officers, so much that it seems like they are afraid to call a spade a spade anymore - even when it's obvious.