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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou're doing a bang-up job of confirming my estimation of you here.
I didn't think you had the intestinal fortitude to politely tell me to leave.
As for "intestinal fortitude" - what you demand would be too easy.
Squeal away, Bad Piggy ... suweee, suweee, suweee!
Jorge
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI would say that in its most basic form the meaning of information is a mapping between two things. Without an extant mapping, we are back to Shannon entropy, which is a measure of the raw infraction capacity.
It is hard to fully separate meaning from Information, and that is part of the difficulty in getting good definitions. A sequence of DNA maps in a very complex fashion to some element or set of elements in the living system it is part of. That mapping may or may not depend on other contextual elements in that same system.The fact that mapping exists is what let's us say there is information in a DNA sequence.
Jim
I don't think it works to say that a physical representation is the information. If so, duplication of a DNA molecule would double the amount of information. But as there is no new information when a DNA molecule is duplicated, I don't think most people would agree that the information has doubled. Information is something deeper or more fundamental than the physical representation. Maybe a "mapping" as you suggest."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Jorge View PostYour "estimation" of me doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
As for "intestinal fortitude" - what you demand would be too easy.
Squeal away, Bad Piggy ... suweee, suweee, suweee!
JorgeEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostBut as there is no new information when a DNA molecule is duplicated, I don't think most people would agree that the information has doubled. .
For example if a duplicated gene takes a protein product over a threshold such that an output can occur (because an output depended on whether or not a threshold was reached), then quite possibly the doubling of one thing, the gene, can generate a new output, thanks to the crossing of a protein threshold.
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Originally posted by rwatts View Post"New" information is not necessarily the same thing as "doubled" information.
For example if a duplicated gene takes a protein product over a threshold such that an output can occur (because an output depended on whether or not a threshold was reached), then quite possibly the doubling of one thing, the gene, can generate a new output, thanks to the crossing of a protein threshold."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNice attempt at deflection, bully. I've got you pegged. Keep squirming - I'm looking forward to what lame put-down you come up with next.
At first the squeals of a piglet sound cute; after a while they become just noise.
Oh well ... on to my next mission.
Jorge
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostBut would you say that N identical genes contain N times the quantity of information as the single gene?
Shannon would say YES! KSC (Algorithmic) would say NO.
That is one of the issues that I've been working to "resolve".
Jorge
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Originally posted by Jorge View PostNo "put-down" ...
just that you've become boring.
At first the squeals of a piglet sound cute; after a while they become just noise.
Oh well ... on to my next mission.
JorgeEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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