Thread: Your experiences with JWs
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March 16th 2008, 02:28 AM #1
Your experiences with JWs
I'm curious to know everyone's experiences with JWs.
I've only known one family personally, but they never tried to evangelize me.
Other occasions I remember:
- Given materials while waiting in a car
- Given materials while walking to school-they did not wish to talk
- Had materials stuffed in my apartment door
- Received an anonymous letter a few days later
- Found materials left in various places: common areas of dorms, laundry mats, subway
There's been only one occasion where they've come to my door. I engaged with them in their conversation, but as soon as I quoted Scripture and told them I am a Catholic student studying philosophy, they couldn't get away fast enough!
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March 16th 2008, 10:46 AM #2
Re: Your experiences with JWs
They used to pop by my door every now and then, but they kept breaking their promises to come back. The one time I let them come in and talked with them for a couple hours before their superior stopped by and told them they had to leave.
"If God has given [his people] such joy now, joy in their faith, in their hope, in love, in the truth of his scriptures, what kind of joy is he preparing for them at the end? If he feeds them like this on the journey, how will he feast them in their homeland?"--Augustine of Hippo
"It cannot be that the people should grow in grace unless they give themselves to reading. A reading people will always be a knowing people."--John Wesley
"Wherever men are still theological there is still some chance of their being logical."--G. K. Chesterton
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March 16th 2008, 05:36 PM #3
Re: Your experiences with JWs
You probably are not home often when we call. If you were in my territory I would come and visit you. I would be more interested in discussing Scripture than philosophy, but then that is a difference between Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses. We read the bible and you read philosophy.
Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Frederick William Danker on J 1:1b; 20:28; 1 J 5:20b; Hb 1:8 -- in connection w. these four passages s. instruction by Jesus in 2 below” which is “—2 of humans who enjoy special status and esteem J 10:34, 35a.”
Bauer-Danker-Arndt-Gingrich, financed by the Lutheran Missouri Synod, eliminates many Trinitarian proofs: 1John 5:20 ;Isaiah 44:24;Romans 9:5;Rev 3:14;John 1:1;John 8:58;Titus 2:13;Col 1:15
Dan Wallace, Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit, page 125
Bulletin for Biblical Research 13.1 (2003):"It is not enough to say either that the Spirit is presented as personal or that he is sometimes not distinguished from God (as in Acts 5:3-4). What also must be done is (1) a clear demonstration that language about the Spirit’s personality cannot be due to figurative rhetoric or circumlocution of the divine name, and (2) that where he is viewed as personal he is also viewed as deity, yet, (3) in those same texts, is seen as distinct from both Father and Son."
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March 16th 2008, 06:29 PM #4
Re: Your experiences with JWs
I have been honored as an Enemy of Nee™ and LAu Tzu hasn't!
"You are banned. You are not a Christian for Christians don't accuse brothers and sisters in Christ of being non-Christian." --Troy Brooks
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March 16th 2008, 06:55 PM #5
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March 16th 2008, 07:23 PM #6
Re: Your experiences with JWs
Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Frederick William Danker on J 1:1b; 20:28; 1 J 5:20b; Hb 1:8 -- in connection w. these four passages s. instruction by Jesus in 2 below” which is “—2 of humans who enjoy special status and esteem J 10:34, 35a.”
Bauer-Danker-Arndt-Gingrich, financed by the Lutheran Missouri Synod, eliminates many Trinitarian proofs: 1John 5:20 ;Isaiah 44:24;Romans 9:5;Rev 3:14;John 1:1;John 8:58;Titus 2:13;Col 1:15
Dan Wallace, Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit, page 125
Bulletin for Biblical Research 13.1 (2003):"It is not enough to say either that the Spirit is presented as personal or that he is sometimes not distinguished from God (as in Acts 5:3-4). What also must be done is (1) a clear demonstration that language about the Spirit’s personality cannot be due to figurative rhetoric or circumlocution of the divine name, and (2) that where he is viewed as personal he is also viewed as deity, yet, (3) in those same texts, is seen as distinct from both Father and Son."
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March 16th 2008, 07:52 PM #7
Re: Your experiences with JWs
Of course I understand the difference. So what? I told them I'm a philosophy student because I have one degree in philosophy and I'm finishing up my masters in it now. I'm not in a Bible college studying the New Testament, (though as part of my undergraduate degree I took two Bible classes taught by a Protestant minister). That's what I told them. If anyone concludes from that that I don't read the Bible and that I don't consider myself a Bible student (in an every day sense), then I don't know what to tell you. There's no reason to assume that.
If I were studying chemistry, I would have said, "I am a chemistry student at X university." If I was a psychology student, I would have said, "I am a psychology student at X university." But I can still be a Bible student, too. They asked me what I do for a living and I said I am a university student studying philosophy. Get it?
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March 16th 2008, 07:56 PM #8
Re: Your experiences with JWs
I am not trying to make you mad. Sorry. But if they brought up the bible and you started talking about philosophy then perhaps they thought you were not interested in the bible and so they left. I don't know. I was not there. But from what you said it sounded possible. When they came to your door did you go get your bible so that you could discuss it with them?
Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Frederick William Danker on J 1:1b; 20:28; 1 J 5:20b; Hb 1:8 -- in connection w. these four passages s. instruction by Jesus in 2 below” which is “—2 of humans who enjoy special status and esteem J 10:34, 35a.”
Bauer-Danker-Arndt-Gingrich, financed by the Lutheran Missouri Synod, eliminates many Trinitarian proofs: 1John 5:20 ;Isaiah 44:24;Romans 9:5;Rev 3:14;John 1:1;John 8:58;Titus 2:13;Col 1:15
Dan Wallace, Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit, page 125
Bulletin for Biblical Research 13.1 (2003):"It is not enough to say either that the Spirit is presented as personal or that he is sometimes not distinguished from God (as in Acts 5:3-4). What also must be done is (1) a clear demonstration that language about the Spirit’s personality cannot be due to figurative rhetoric or circumlocution of the divine name, and (2) that where he is viewed as personal he is also viewed as deity, yet, (3) in those same texts, is seen as distinct from both Father and Son."
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March 16th 2008, 09:04 PM #9
Re: Your experiences with JWs
My father's side of the family are all JW, my sister also was for five years. I studied with them here and there over the years, and they still visit my house every Saturday.
On the negative side, my uncle was alcoholic and abusive to my aunt, my father's sister, so she divorced him and they disfellowshipped her since he never cheated on her, they said she needed to stay with him.
I also don't mind shooting the breeze with them now when they visit, but when it comes to talking about the Bible they want to stick to their speeches rather than have a discussion and that irritates me, they talk over you.
Otherwise they were always polite to me, most seem to mean well and I agree with some of their positions regarding holidays.
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March 16th 2008, 09:12 PM #10
Re: Your experiences with JWs
I understand that you weren't trying to make me mad. I have a tendency to overreact.
This is what I said, "I engaged with them in their conversation, but as soon as I quoted Scripture and told them I am a Catholic student studying philosophy, they couldn't get away fast enough!" I didn't go grab my Bible because I didn't have the opportunity. They left too quickly. But I would have if they were interested in doing so.
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March 16th 2008, 09:27 PM #11
Re: Your experiences with JWs
I can arrange to have someone drop by if you want. Or you can email them at the contact for http://www.watchtower.org
Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament by Frederick William Danker on J 1:1b; 20:28; 1 J 5:20b; Hb 1:8 -- in connection w. these four passages s. instruction by Jesus in 2 below” which is “—2 of humans who enjoy special status and esteem J 10:34, 35a.”
Bauer-Danker-Arndt-Gingrich, financed by the Lutheran Missouri Synod, eliminates many Trinitarian proofs: 1John 5:20 ;Isaiah 44:24;Romans 9:5;Rev 3:14;John 1:1;John 8:58;Titus 2:13;Col 1:15
Dan Wallace, Greek Grammar and the Personality of the Holy Spirit, page 125
Bulletin for Biblical Research 13.1 (2003):"It is not enough to say either that the Spirit is presented as personal or that he is sometimes not distinguished from God (as in Acts 5:3-4). What also must be done is (1) a clear demonstration that language about the Spirit’s personality cannot be due to figurative rhetoric or circumlocution of the divine name, and (2) that where he is viewed as personal he is also viewed as deity, yet, (3) in those same texts, is seen as distinct from both Father and Son."
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April 30th 2008, 03:32 AM #12
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April 30th 2008, 11:12 PM #13
Re: Your experiences with JWs
JW's usually do their ministry stuff in very respectful ways. If you know them personally they will not badger you about stuff and you may actually have the chance to discuss faith in a reasonable way. When I get them on the doorstep they are always polite but I see little point in talking as really they want to give their presentation not discuss things. The last time I had some I did discuss the trinity with them briefly since I am currently studying it postgrad at a Divinity College, but naturally they were not particularly interested in it. I respect that and did not try and extend the conversation.
"Thou hast learnt the way, how in the judgment thou mayest be found among those on the right hand; guard that which is committed to thee concerning Christ, and be conspicuous in good works, that thou mayest stand with a good confidence before the Judge, and inherit the kingdom of heaven:—Through whom, and with whom, be glory to God with the Holy Ghost, for ever and ever. Amen" -St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture XV
"All those who find rest within the material world and are not troubled about the salvation of their soul resemble the foolish young birds that don't make commotion inside their egg, so as to break the shell and come out to enjoy the sun (to soar inot the Heavens of the paradisiacal life). Rather, they remain motionless and die within their eggshell." -Elder Paisos
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May 1st 2008, 09:26 AM #14
Re: Your experiences with JWs
The only encounter I can think of was when I was in high school walking to work. A woman approached me with a copy of The Watchtower and a smile and asked me if I would like to talk. When I politely declined and told her I was a Christian, her smile vanished and she quickly walked away without another word.
Some may call me foolish - some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of men
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From Fool's Gold by Petra
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May 3rd 2008, 11:05 AM #15
Re: Your experiences with JWs
When I was a missionary in Germany, we had one JW who seemed interested in being taught by us. We made an appontment and agreed to talk about our church for half the time, and then here him explain what the JW beleived.
When the meeting came, he never let us bring our church up.
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