Problems with Penal Substitution.

[37818]

Laid on Him does not mean impute iniquity. It does mean the suffering servant suffered to redeem men. But the suffering does not mean the Father saw the Son as a sinner.

JM

". . . For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; . . ." -- 2 Corinthians 5:21.

[JohnMartin]

". . . For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; . . ." -- 2 Corinthians 5:21.

The Church Fathers taught that this verse means God made Jesus a sin offering. There are no Calvinists in the Church Fathers. Calvin is a lone ranger, theologically speaking.

JM

[37818]

The Church Fathers taught that this verse means God made Jesus a sin offering. There are no Calvinists in the Church Fathers. Calvin is a lone ranger, theologically speaking.

JM

I'm not a Calvinist. Though my views may seem similar.

It is agreed that God made Jesus to be a sin offering. ". . . the soul that sinneth, it shall die. . . ." -- Ezekiel 18:4. And under the Law sin offerings were made, ". . . For the soul of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul. . . ." -- Leviticus 17:11. Now under the new covenant we have a promise, ". . . And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. . . ." -- Hebrews 10:17. And that offering was done once for all. " . . . But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us]. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? . . ." -- Hebrews 9:11-14. ". . . For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. . . ." -- Hebrews 9:24-26.

[One Bad Pig]

It's your doctrine, so you have to defend it. You don't defend a doctrine by asking questions about some texts.

JM

You're not very good at this whole dialogue thing, are you?

[JohnMartin]

You're not very good at this whole dialogue thing, are you?

It's you heterodox doctrine, so you make the argument and we shall see how compelling your position is. So far, your position is not compelling at all. The damned are always damned.

JM