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  • A quiz ...

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    How much information does the following (in bold green) contain: YES

    Try to answer that question on your own, without help or references.
    Of course, I can only trust you on that request.

    Let's see what kind of responses are submitted ...

    Jorge

  • #2
    Originally posted by Jorge the welcher View Post
    .How much information does the following (in bold green) contain: YES
    Insufficient information.

    But here's a question you do have all the information you need to answer:

    Why haven't you paid the $150 you owe, welcher?
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jorge View Post
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      How much information does the following (in bold green) contain: YES

      Try to answer that question on your own, without help or references.
      Of course, I can only trust you on that request.

      Let's see what kind of responses are submitted ...

      Jorge
      There is no way to answer this without knowing what other possible "values" the "YES" message could take, and their probabilities.

      For example, if someone flips a coin and asks if it came up heads, and the answer is "YES", the word "YES" contains one bit of information (there is a 50% chance of YES and a 50% chance of NO).
      "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        42

        Cause that's the answer to "Life the Universe and Everything".
        "The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it."

        Navin R. Johnson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Wally View Post
          42

          Cause that's the answer to "Life the Universe and Everything".
          Yes, but what is the question?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kbertsche View Post
            There is no way to answer this without knowing what other possible "values" the "YES" message could take, and their probabilities.

            For example, if someone flips a coin and asks if it came up heads, and the answer is "YES", the word "YES" contains one bit of information (there is a 50% chance of YES and a 50% chance of NO).
            What you bring up is exactly what I was getting at. In my present work I wrote: "When measured in bits, it may be demonstrated that YES contains anywhere from zero bits of information to N bits where N is arbitrarily large."

            But this is only from the Shannon perspective (and all derivatives of it).
            From my own work's perspective it is far more complex than that.

            Jorge

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jorge View Post
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              How much information does the following (in bold green) contain: YES

              Try to answer that question on your own, without help or references.
              Of course, I can only trust you on that request.

              Let's see what kind of responses are submitted ...

              Jorge
              Not enough ...
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jorge View Post
                .
                .
                How much information does the following (in bold green) contain: YES

                Try to answer that question on your own, without help or references.
                Of course, I can only trust you on that request.

                Let's see what kind of responses are submitted ...

                Jorge
                I remember the following exchange in another thread Jorge:-

                Jorge: If there's a question or point on 'information' that you would like to bring up then please post it.

                Roland: How do you define information in the context of DNA?

                Jorge: What do you mean by, "information in the context of DNA" ?

                So, before I answer your question, what do you mean by "information"?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  Yes, but what is the question?
                  Give me ten million years and I'll have an answer for you barring Vogon interference.

                  In answer to Jorge's question .... depends

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rwatts View Post
                    I remember the following exchange in another thread Jorge:-




                    So, before I answer your question, what do you mean by "information"?
                    Try keeping up.

                    I had responded to that (not to you specifically).

                    My answer was that I was not prepared to do this now.

                    Jorge

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                    • #11
                      The question is, "Am I expecting that this thread will not lead anywhere?" YES
                      The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                      [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Give me ten million years and I'll have an answer for you barring Vogon interference.

                        In answer to Jorge's question .... depends
                        R06 is asking for 10 million years. I wonder why?

                        Oh, I know!!!

                        That's the time he needs to Evolve a brain.

                        Jorge

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                          The question is, "Am I expecting that this thread will not lead anywhere?" YES
                          Probably right. I do try but I can't soar like an Eagle when trapped in a cage filled with Dodo Birds.

                          Jorge

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jorge View Post
                            Probably right. I do try but I can't soar like an Eagle when trapped in a cage filled with Dodo Birds.

                            Jorge
                            Aside from attempting to generate interest in the work you've been doing - what purpose does this thread serve? You are not going to give us your 'Earth shattering revelation' that you think you might publish some day. So what is the point? Do you just get a kick out of seeing who might guess what it was you think you figured out? Would you even acknowledge it if someone did?

                            You are so full of yourself Jorge.


                            Jim
                            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jorge View Post
                              R06 is asking for 10 million years. I wonder why?

                              Oh, I know!!!

                              That's the time he needs to Evolve a brain.

                              Jorge
                              And another thing Jorge is ignorant of.
                              "The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it."

                              Navin R. Johnson

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