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note correctionGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
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I agree that "I don't know" is a valid answer, but not to the question that was asked. firstfloor did not respond at all to the question asked. He instead gave a non responsive rant.Originally posted by Carrikature View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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Exactly. The question is not a scientific one and cannot be objectively determined.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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It remains that these are the two possible choices, and both possible. Actually the view of the Baha'i Faith and I is that God created with natural methods we witness through science, and from the human perspective both views appear as one indistinguishable from the other.Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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I am really asking two questions. What, if anything, do you or can you regard as uncaused? And why do you think that? The "why" question is to give your reasoning for the understandng for your "what" answer.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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That would imply either an infinite regression or a paradoxical loop of causes. If either of these is possible then there need only be caused things.Originally posted by 37818 View Post
I do not know if there is an infinite regression of causes, or if there are uncaused events. These appear to me to both be outside normal understanding of the way things work, although the infinite regression is probably more so. I think it is possible that there are uncaused events. If there are, I see no reason to believe that there has only ever been one such.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...Comment
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Can you give more as to that reasoning?Originally posted by Roy View Post. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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MaybeOriginally posted by 37818 View Post
. Any particular piece you had in mind? A lot of it isn't so much reasoning as borborygmus.
Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...Comment
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The why? to consider the physical existence as uncaused from the Metaphysical Naturalist perspective is that there is no evidence, nor logical argument that could justify that there was a 'beginning of our physical existence, and no evidence that there is an uncaused cause other than the infinite greater cosmos and natural law itself.Originally posted by 37818 View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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Is that an absolute truth or a relative one?Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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Neither, it is my belief that God exists. I do not believe that humans are capable of absolute truths. The problem with this being relative, what would it be relative to?Originally posted by seer View PostLast edited by shunyadragon; 06-23-2016, 03:33 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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seer, now do you understand shuny?Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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Humility is best way to believe. To believe the fallible human is capable of absolutes is prideful arrogance.Originally posted by 37818 View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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You don’t actually know that. You might think you do, but you really don’t.Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you areComment
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So there could be logical arguments that prove God.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sComment
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