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[historic salve]

But do you honestly expect that everything is meant to have practical application to us today? Do you think the Bible was written yesterday and for us personally?

Can you show any other teaching of Jesus in the Gospels that doesn't have practical application?

I notice we've gotten pretty far off topic.

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Theostudent

it is written for us personally, but not yesterday.

Don't you think that's a little self-centered as it's original audience existed a long time ago?

It does have practical application.

Some of it, yes. Not all of it.

[Theostudent]

Willful, unlawful killing is murder. The pharisees claimed the woman had been caught in the act, yet her accomplice was conspicuously absent from the proceedings when Jewish law made it clear that both parties were to be stoned for adultery. Therefore, to put the woman to death would not have been in accordance with the law; hence murder.

4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

He excuses and justifies it from what I've seen. He also has no problem with telling bald-faced lies if it fits his agenda. He's also openly declared war on Christianity, so make of all that what you will.

Well, he does wrong, but surely, I tell you, he at least knows he is wrong, he confesses his sin.

I spelled it out for you already. If you still can't see then that's not my problem.

Hard to see something that does not exist.

[Theostudent]

Don't you think that's a little self-centered as it's original audience existed a long time ago?

We are the original audience. The sinful generation.

Some of it, yes. Not all of it.

More than you know, so I say.

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by historic salve

Can you show any other teaching of Jesus in the Gospels that doesn't have practical application?

Thing is, I don't know if this qualifies as a teaching. It's more of just an occurrence that was showing us something about Jesus (though sometimes those have practical applications as well). But yes, every teaching has a practical application.

I notice we've gotten pretty far off topic.

Sure does happen alot here.

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Theostudent

We are the original audience. The sinful generation.

Nope.

More than you know, so I say.

Maybe.

[Theostudent]

Nope.

yep

Maybe.

indeed

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Theostudent

yep

Last I checked, the Gospel of John was written in the first century, hence we're not the original audience.

indeed

Perhaps.

[Theostudent]

Last I checked, the Gospel of John was written in the first century, hence we're not the original audience.

The Coming of the Son of Man

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

The Lesson of the Fig Tree

28 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Perhaps.

indeed,perhaps.

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Theostudent

The Coming of the Son of Man

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

The Lesson of the Fig Tree

28 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

Wow, that opens up a whole new issue. But suffice it to say that "this generation" refers to Jesus' generation, not us.

[Theostudent]

Wow, that opens up a whole new issue. But suffice it to say that "this generation" refers to Jesus' generation, not us.

Has the tribulation passed us by yet then? Have all those things taken place?

[TolkienFan]

Originally posted by Theostudent

Has the tribulation passed us by yet then?

Yup.

[Theostudent]

Yup.

The Coming of the Son of Man

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

Then you have been forsaken, and so have I.

[historic salve]

Has the tribulation passed us by yet then? Have all those things taken place?

JP's gonna hit you over the head with your own mop.

[jpholding]

Yeah, it does not mean they accepted Roman Law, unless by force.

The legions in Judaea were not there to pick flowers, and you may want to check out a fellow named "Pompey" and find out what he had to do with the Jews.

So do you agree that the bible is contradictory?

No. That indicates that the Jews contradicted their own laws by their actions, not that the Bible was internally contradictory.

With the market like it is, I am sure to get a great buy!

Just don't fall off the Boardwalk again.