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      Re: Apathetic Creationism

      Quote Originally posted by Buboni Cleg View Post
      I don't like it. The concept of Open or Apathetic Creationism bespeaks an underlying distrust of hard-nosed data.
      No, it does not. It simply bespeaks a lack of care or lack of perceived need to come to definite conclusions about the data.

      You can go about saying Genesis might be literal or even quasi-literal, but that strongly implies things like human-caused death and a global flood have equally sufficient amounts of evidence compared to modern geology and biology. They actually don't even come close. It's a lazy straddling of the fence. Changing "apathetic" to "open" doesn't really make the position epistemically sound.
      It's really more of a middle ground for those who don't care enough or who are too unsure to come to definite conclusions. I doubt those reasons are exhaustive, but they are among the chief reasons that ACs or OCs straddle the fence (I'm still basically OC, though I lean towards TE). Also, given the nature of the position, there are no definite conclusions about the genre and nature of Genesis so your connection of the positions of Genesis being literal or quasi-literal comes from nowhere. Neither is necessarily entailed by the position given its apathetic/open nature.

      We must work hard to accommodate the general revelation rather than lean on unfounded semi-skepticism of it.
      Apathetic/Open Creationism is not founded on semi-skepticism of general revelation. It is what it is because the adherents have a lack of concern or definiteness when they come to the issues of God's method in creation or the length of time it took. They believe general revelation reveals a creator and certain characteristics about that creator, but about the method and time of creation, they either don't see a need for particular concern or for clear-cut conclusions about the data.
      "I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."

      "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought."

      -Frodo and Gandalf the Grey in Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring

      "Whoever saves one life, saves the world entire."

      -The Talmud, quoted in Schindler's List

      "Many folk like to know beforehand what is to be set on the table; but those who have labored to prepare the feast like to keep their secret; for wonder makes the words of praise louder."

      Gandalf the White in Lord of the Rings: Return of the King

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