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How did you as a Christian come to the understanding . . .
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostFor those of you who are allowed to post in the [two] "Christian Only" forums, please explain how you came to the understanding that the one and only Son of God was eternally begotten of the Father from eternity. [Moderators, and please everyone, this is not to be a debate thread, but questions are to be allowed, Thanks.]Last edited by The Remonstrant; 07-09-2016, 05:57 AM.For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Hebrews 1:3 is one passage that can be read as supporting the doctrine of eternal generation:
What's interesting is that Hebrews 1:3 seems to refer back to Wisdom 7:25-26, lending further support that the writers of the New Testament viewed Jesus as the personified Wisdom of God:
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Originally posted by The Remonstrant View PostWe know of the deity, preexistence, and eternality of the Word particularly from John 1 (amongst other NT texts). As for the eternal sonship doctrine, the scriptural foundations for this teaching are not so certain. It may be that the NT language of sonship applies exclusively to the Word made flesh: Jesus Christ in his incarnate state. Was the divine Logos always a Son or did he assume the role of sonship at some point in human history (i.e. approximately two thousand years ago)?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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The Eternal Generation of the Son: Maintaining Orthodoxy in Trinitarian Theology by Kevin Giles is a pretty good book in support of the doctrine of the Eternal Generation of the Son.
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Another reason I hold to the doctrine of the eternal generation of the Son (and the eternal procession of the Holy Spirit) is that if you deny these two doctrines and say that the Son and the Spirit are the source of their own godhood and being (which you have to do if you deny these doctrines) ISTM that you're coming perilously close to affirming polytheism.
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I don't know. I've believed that Jesus was fully God and fully man after the incarnation for as long as I had the cognitive ability to affirm that. I thought the scriptures were pretty clear that Jesus is/was/always will be God and that the Son is begotten of the Father(whatever that means, sapient attribute???).If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostAnother reason I hold to the doctrine of the eternal generation of the Son (and the eternal procession of the Holy Spirit) is that if you deny these two doctrines and say that the Son and the Spirit are the source of their own godhood and being (which you have to do if you deny these doctrines) ISTM that you're coming perilously close to affirming polytheism.For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostHow do you understand Proverbs 30:4, '"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"?'For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThe Eternal Generation of the Son: Maintaining Orthodoxy in Trinitarian Theology by Kevin Giles is a pretty good book in support of the doctrine of the Eternal Generation of the Son.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostAnother reason I hold to the doctrine of the eternal generation of the Son (and the eternal procession of the Holy Spirit) is that if you deny these two doctrines and say that the Son and the Spirit are the source of their own godhood and being (which you have to do if you deny these doctrines) ISTM that you're coming perilously close to affirming polytheism.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostIn a comment from the link on a reason for this book, ". . . the eternal generation of the Son is routinely rejected by some evangelicals as unbiblical, . . . "That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI'd like to know who these "some evangelicals" are.... . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are the One LORD God, ". . . The LORD our God is one LORD: . . ." -- Deuteronomy 6:4. ". . . I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. . . ." -- Isaiah 43:11.
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