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    Are there any true libertarians in here? I would like to debate you.

    I'm looking to debate a libertarian on economic issues, like for example, what helps create more jobs, libertarian policies, or liberal policies.

    I personally think liberal economic policies work better, but I've heard good libertarian arguments. I think many of them are wrong, but I need to confirm this by debating it.
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    “Libertarian policies” – is that not a contradiction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    “Libertarian policies” – is that not a contradiction?
    No; "libertarian" is not synonymous with "anarchist".
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    “Libertarian policies” – is that not a contradiction?
    No, some libertarians are for small govt, some are for no govt. I'm looking to debate philosophy and policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thinker View Post
    No, some libertarians are for small govt, some are for no govt. I'm looking to debate philosophy and policy.
    If Libertarians believe in 'no government' they would be anarchists, and that is a contradiction.

    I would gave to give it more thought as to present libertarian political beliefs.
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    Darth Xena, Truthseeker, and Joel are all hardcore Libertarians, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Darth Xena, Truthseeker, and Joel are all hardcore Libertarians, I believe.
    It would be interesting to have them describe their libertarian (politics) philosophy. For example; Which politicians do they identify with and why.
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    I am not going to get into this debate except to offer a correct. NO ANARCHIST IS NOT CONTRADICTORY TO LIBERTARIANISM. That is utterly ridiculous. I sit on the Libertarian National Committee. I am an anarchist. The Vice Chair of the LNC is an anarchist. Two other representatives are anarchists. The Chair is likely an anarchist though he tends to keep his ultimate opinion to himself. About twenty percent of the state chairs of the LP are anarchists.

    The Party was founded with anarchists. The founder become an anarchist. The Statement of Principles was edited (a near impossible task) to give explicit nods to anarchism.

    I do not care to debate policies. I am way too busy doing real politicks in the real world.
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    The State. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.


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    From the LPColorado site:

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    From the LPColorado Platform:

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    From the National Statement of Principles (the "where ... exists" is a nod to anarchists - we take no ultimate position on whether governments MUST exist)

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    The State. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.


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