Interpreting the Book of Mormon

[Bill the Cat]

I do believe in divine power, its just doesn't seem to be constrained by your concept of divinity.

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[Texatru]

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[ApologiaPhoenix]

Originally posted by Lost Sheep Hunter;


Swell, the problem arises when you begin your “respectful dialogue” with “ you coward”!

Only because you were being one. If you had just answered my question instead of insisting I was siding with Satan, then it would have worked out nicely. The Mormon missionaries at our door didn't have any problem with dialogue. I only call them as I see them. Don't want to be called a coward? Don't act like one.

I’m not opposed to assuming and responding to a rational hypothetical... it's just that yours is…

Sure took you long enough to answer it.

Then why all the effort in proposing a certain fact as an irrational hypothetical to no avail?

I've yet to see it come to no avail.

Maybe you could say that in your pretend hypothetical world. Or, on the other hand, in reality, I could say the Holy Ghost charged with revealing and confirming truth wouldn’t be guilty of providing a “didn’t our heart burn within us” confirmation of the Book of Mormon if it weren’t true... now would He!

The “Mormon gospel” presented in the Book of Mormon is a sure testimony of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is why in reality the Holy Ghost is in fact providing the “heart burn within us,… while he opened to us the scriptures”.

If there is no “Mormon gospel” there is not a New Testament gospel either as they both testify of Jesus and His resurrection. You deny the one you stand convicted of denying the other and...

Which you're still not answering the question. If my hypothetical is true, then that wouldn't be the Holy Spirit giving that burn would it?

Your sense of humor is what is amazingly… lacking! Perhaps Bill the Cat will take time and explain the mechanics of the joke to you. Be ready to reach for the 'Depends'!

Sorry dude. I have a sense of humor and I don't think anyone thought you were joking in that thread. I find it amazing you're ready to accuse me of not having a sense of humor and not having a real life outside of TWeb which is why you supposedly "can't answer me" rather than deal with my question which you've AGAIN dodged in this thread.

If Bill's explaining something to anyone, it isn't me.

[LDSTrue]

Only because you were being one. If you had just answered my question instead of insisting I was siding with Satan, then it would have worked out nicely. The Mormon missionaries at our door didn't have any problem with dialogue. I only call them as I see them. Don't want to be called a coward? Don't act like one.

You must admit “respectful dialogue”… “you coward” must rank in the all time top 10 of all oxymoron’s ever put to print.

The mere fact that I wasn’t willing to pretend my Saviour Jesus wasn’t resurrected shouldn’t be justification for you to call me a “coward”. Realist or pragmatist or practical would have been more suitable and accurate rather than your choice of “coward”. Next time try with all your might to be… nice!

Sure took you long enough to answer it.

According to you below I still haven’t answered it. Next time try and keep it rational for us practical pragmatists.

I've yet to see it come to no avail.

You have proven to be a proficient wordsmith and if it were possible for anyone to talk me out of my testimony of the truth the Holy Ghost revealed… you have proven skilled and able for the task. Unsuccessful... but proficient.

HOWEVER, when the Holy Ghost reveals the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon it does not come through the ears or eyes, it is to the marrow of the bone. Once it happens it is undeniable and unforgettable.

I don’t want you or anyone to get the wrong impression as it doesn’t end there, it is just the beginning. For me to deny the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon I would have to deny a whole series of experiences… as it is recorded “faith to faith”!

Which you're still not answering the question. If my hypothetical is true, then that wouldn't be the Holy Spirit giving that burn would it?

Is your next move to blame… or should I say credit … Satan!

You’ve got it all wrong if you think Satan caused “And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? (Luke 24:32)

How could you imagine it was Satan that caused “Did not our heart burn within us… while he opened to us the scriptures” of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus as Jesus “opened to us the scriptures?” The last time Satan got too close to Jesus, Jesus’ reaction was; “… Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” (Matt. 16:23)

Jesus knew what was going on inside the two disciples as He “opened to us the scriptures” as it was His charge to the Holy Ghost that was being magnified and if Satan would have been anywhere around Jesus has proven He was capable of dismissing him without discretion.

Besides, Satan is very busy insuring everyone denies the existence of God and His Son Jesus. Texatru is an example of Satan's handiwork and if you don't believe me just review his posts herein. You must admit Texatru's comments are examples of Satan's influence and you should be able to detect the difference between his opinion of the Book of Mormon and mine. My Holy Ghost centered opinion verses his Satan influenced opinion is profound and should be easily detected for the discerning.

To assume Satan is confirming the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon which testifies of Jesus’ resurrection and the ultimate defeat of the Devil is not in his disposition and he has proven it to be out of character for Satan.

No, it is not recorded anywhere in scripture that Satan can cause the “heart burn within us”. Quite the contrary as the only “burn” Satan will be engaged with is “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,…” (Rev. 20:10)

Sorry dude. I have a sense of humor and I don't think anyone thought you were joking in that thread.

That wasn’t the opinion of JonLanceBarker in Civics 101 ‘Rare uncontacted Amazon tripe photographed’ post #18

Originally posted by LDSTrue
Did the article stipulate which tribe they were from?
Possibly the Lamanites or Nephites !!!???

Were there coins or arrowheads or parchments included in the discovery?

This could be just the evidence and solid proof everyone at LDS Mormonism is demanding.

Originally posted by JonLanceBarker
You're certifiable.

It is apparent JonLanceBarker got it and loved it! Besides, unlike those posting in this forum, most in that forum had probably never heard of the Lamanites and Nephites.

I find it amazing you're ready to accuse me of not having a sense of humor

I’m sure you must be familiar with the truism “Use it or loose it”!

and not having a real life outside of TWeb

I’m not knocking it but it will probably take me two lifetimes to find the time get to the point where I’ve posted 11,552 posts on TWeb.

which is why you supposedly "can't answer me" rather than deal with my question which you've AGAIN dodged in this thread.

It wasn’t that I was avoiding answering you; I was avoiding the unimaginable thought of my Lord and Saviour Jesus’ failure.

If Bill's explaining something to anyone, it isn't me.

I know, you two are “two peas in a pod”. Twins, separated at birth!

[ApologiaPhoenix]

You must admit “respectful dialogue”… “you coward” must rank in the all time top 10 of all oxymoron’s ever put to print.

Oh respectful dialogue is how I prefer it to begin. If someone gives me the run-around though, I get tough with them until they learn.

The mere fact that I wasn’t willing to pretend my Saviour Jesus wasn’t resurrected shouldn’t be justification for you to call me a “coward”. Realist or pragmatist or practical would have been more suitable and accurate rather than your choice of “coward”. Next time try with all your might to be… nice!

Actually, it is justification. Paul was not afraid to state the reality of it happening. No one should if they think Jesus truly rose.

According to you below I still haven’t answered it. Next time try and keep it rational for us practical pragmatists.

You answered the first one, but not the final question.

You have proven to be a proficient wordsmith and if it were possible for anyone to talk me out of my testimony of the truth the Holy Ghost revealed… you have proven skilled and able for the task. Unsuccessful... but proficient.

Then we'll see what happens....

HOWEVER, when the Holy Ghost reveals the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon it does not come through the ears or eyes, it is to the marrow of the bone. Once it happens it is undeniable and unforgettable.

And simply assumed. You'd think for something so obviously true we'd find ample reason to believe it.

I don’t want you or anyone to get the wrong impression as it doesn’t end there, it is just the beginning. For me to deny the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon I would have to deny a whole series of experiences… as it is recorded “faith to faith”!

And Betty J. Eadie would have to deny her experiences if she rejected her doctrine. Shirley Maclaine would have to deny her experiences. Followers of TM would have to deny their experiences. Why is your experience more valid?

Is your next move to blame… or should I say credit … Satan!

You’ve got it all wrong if you think Satan caused “And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? (Luke 24:32)

Did Satan cause that? No. You're equivocating though assuming that because a burn is felt, it's obviously always from God.

How could you imagine it was Satan that caused “Did not our heart burn within us… while he opened to us the scriptures” of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus as Jesus “opened to us the scriptures?” The last time Satan got too close to Jesus, Jesus’ reaction was; “… Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.” (Matt. 16:23)

Never said it was, but I don't have the same reason to trust the burning in Moroni. (I also have no reason to think God is the direct cause of the burning in Luke 24.)

Jesus knew what was going on inside the two disciples as He “opened to us the scriptures” as it was His charge to the Holy Ghost that was being magnified and if Satan would have been anywhere around Jesus has proven He was capable of dismissing him without discretion.

Do you like to go off on tangents like this? It's simply bad logic to equivocate.

Besides, Satan is very busy insuring everyone denies the existence of God and His Son Jesus. Texatru is an example of Satan's handiwork and if you don't believe me just review his posts herein. You must admit Texatru's comments are examples of Satan's influence and you should be able to detect the difference between his opinion of the Book of Mormon and mine. My Holy Ghost centered opinion verses his Satan influenced opinion is profound and should be easily detected for the discerning.

Texatru would also deny the Watchtower as being from God. Does that mean that it is then? Texatru would deny Christian science as being from God. Does that mean that it is? If Texatru doesn't think the Watchtower is from God, I agree with him. It's just for different reasons.

To assume Satan is confirming the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon which testifies of Jesus’ resurrection and the ultimate defeat of the Devil is not in his disposition and he has proven it to be out of character for Satan.

Unless it would lead one to follow a different God than that of Scripture......

No, it is not recorded anywhere in scripture that Satan can cause the “heart burn within us”. Quite the contrary as the only “burn” Satan will be engaged with is “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,…” (Rev. 20:10)

Note also though that I never said the burn was caused by Satan. I never mentioned any other cause. It's possible, but I never said that is the case.

That wasn’t the opinion of JonLanceBarker in Civics 101 ‘Rare uncontacted Amazon tripe photographed’ post #18

Actually, it was. He is simply saying "You're nuts."

It is apparent JonLanceBarker got it and loved it! Besides, unlike those posting in this forum, most in that forum had probably never heard of the Lamanites and Nephites.

You keep telling yourself that.... I'll be glad to see if I can get JLB to come here and state his opinion and see who's right and who's wrong.

I’m sure you must be familiar with the truism “Use it or loose it”!

No. I'm familiar with "Use it or lose it."

I’m not knocking it but it will probably take me two lifetimes to find the time get to the point where I’ve posted 11,552 posts on TWeb.

When you're on staff here, you have to make a few posts. Also when you just go to spam areas.

It wasn’t that I was avoiding answering you; I was avoiding the unimaginable thought of my Lord and Saviour Jesus’ failure.

And you still haven't answered. If Jesus did not rise, the burn in the bosom could not be a confirmation from God? Yes or no?

I know, you two are “two peas in a pod”. Twins, separated at birth!

I'll take that as a compliment.

[JonLanceBarker]

LDS True...I thought you were hilariously crazy in a brainwashed sort of way.

I didn't think you were joking at all.

[Texatru]

However, the decision stands. If you wish to appeal, please send a PM to Admin and it will be considered. Further posts in theist only areas will be moderated.

Message sent to Admin... After reading the rules your decision seems completely inapplicable to me, I'm trying to be positive about it, so I'm hoping your threats of being moderated are due to my error in describing my beliefs as "probably not theistic" in a contemporary sense. Instead I should have said they were not "probably not deistic" in a contemporary sense. (That distinction often confuses me)

After reading the rules, it seems this specifically applies to atheists, which I clearly am not.

[Bill the Cat]

Message sent to Admin... After reading the rules your decision seems completely inapplicable to me, I'm trying to be positive about it, so I'm hoping your threats of being moderated are due to my error in describing my beliefs as "probably not theistic" in a contemporary sense. Instead I should have said they were not "probably not deistic" in a contemporary sense. (That distinction often confuses me)

After reading the rules, it seems this specifically applies to atheists, which I clearly am not.

Ok. If it was a misunderstanding, we will gladly allow your participation. Wait for the reply from Admin and then let me know.

[LDSTrue]

LDS True...I thought you were hilariously crazy in a brainwashed sort of way.

I didn't think you were joking at all.

Okay, lets go back to the beginning.

Originally posted by LDSTrue
Did the article stipulate which tribe they were from?
Possibly the Lamanites or Nephites !!!???

Were there coins or arrowheads or parchments included in the discovery?

This could be just the evidence and solid proof everyone at LDS Mormonism is demanding.

Look, to begin with, they said it was a flyover discovery. They did say… flyover… right!

Allow me to lay-out the mechanics which laid the foundation for the hilarious result.

The photo’s were taken from the air and not from the ground. There was no way at that time anyone could have known their language or what language to speak to then ask which tribe they were from.

It was too early to tell and no way to determine if there was a discovery of coins, arrowheads or parchments… especially from a flyover. Because the discovery was from a flyover anything and everything could still be possible and imaginable as to their origin. … Hence the foundation for the joke is delectably laid.

Now, add to the smartly crafted joke the fact that the discovery of this tribe just happened to coincide with everyone asking for proof of the Lamanites/Nephites. It was asserted that not even the Mayans had record of the lost Lamanites or Nephites tribes. Combine the timing of the discovery of the lost tribe with the timing of the multiple requests for proof of a civilization yet discovered and you have all the ingredients for… hilarious!!!

Don’t only take my word for it, ask Bill the Cat. Unlike ya’ all… He GOT IT! Thanks’ Bill!!! For once we were on the same page.

As for you others… what a bunch of killjoys!

[JonLanceBarker]

Sorry LDSTrue...ya just ain't funny in that way.

[Texatru]

Ok. If it was a misunderstanding, we will gladly allow your participation. Wait for the reply from Admin and then let me know.

Thanks BTC... Dangit, I might have to think up another motto for the profile besides not sufficiently theist now... Any suggestions? :-)

[LDSTrue]

Sorry LDSTrue...ya just ain't funny in that way.

Yah, that’s what all the … killjoys say.

Furthermore, you weren’t part of the original discussion making demands on me for proof of the lost civilizations of Lamanites and/or Nephites so you have no basis…

[JonLanceBarker]

That a rule you invented, or what?

[LDSTrue]

That a rule you invented, or what?

No, it is a universal rule… one must relate to the basis of a joke to then appreciate its clever and timely wit.

Without you being aware of the timing of Trout’s, Lost Sheep Hunter and Bill the Cats demands for any proof whatsoever of a lost civilization which included arrowheads, coins, etc, you lack the insight for the basis for my clever post… which, to some understanding the basis, was considered hilarious.

Now, the question is; with the insight into the premise I’ve just provided, are you going to change your mind and laugh with me... or will you remain a… killjoy?

[ApologiaPhoenix]

*Sits and waits for his question to be answered.*