Evidence and Clear Examples of Factual errors & historical inaccuracies in the Quran.

[Dan Zebiri]

Smaneck and Mudcake,

Why should I buy into the propoganda from the clowns at the dawaganda site 'mereislam'??

Just try to refute the following glaring discrepencies that make the quran quite hollow:

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or even here:

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On the so-called purity of a 'perfect Quran'...or so it seems.

Enjoy, Dan.

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[mudcake]

Smaneck and Mudcake,

Why should I buy into the propoganda from the clowns at the dawaganda site 'mereislam'??

Just try to refute the following glaring discrepencies that make the quran quite hollow:

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or even here:

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On the so-called purity of a 'perfect Quran'...or so it seems.

Enjoy, Dan.

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[barnasha]

On the so-called purity of a 'perfect Quran'...or so it seems.

Enjoy, Dan.

way to rain on everyone's parade, Gloomy Dan.

[mudcake]

May Allah guide dan to the straight path of islam and cure him of his hatred and confusion of islam that dwells in his heart. May Allah reveal to him the dubious origins of his christological beliefs about Jesus and God Almighty and guide him to accept true monotheism as proclaimed in the Quran and exemplified by our beloved Prophet. Ameeeen!!!!

[smaneck]

Smaneck and Mudcake,

Why should I buy into the propoganda from the clowns at the dawaganda site 'mereislam'??

I don't recall referring you to any site. Your heart is so obviously hardened with hatred I know it would be useless to try.

[barnasha]

I don't recall referring you to any site. Your heart is so obviously hardened with hatred I know it would be useless to try.

it is not hatred, i think it is an effort to prove whatever he thinks is right is right, regardless of it being factual.

[Dan Zebiri]

I truly and honestly am quite sure that the delusion really lies totally on YOUR PART, mudcake, barnaey etc!

I am neither confused NOR am I unwell with any kind of sickness, as you LOOVVE so much to Mis-profile me!! ...

Keep your duas / prayers to yourself...you need them much,much more than me!

If your precious Muhd was the greatest example ever known to man, I would be among the first
to embrace his example and his teachings!

BUT! Unfortunately...Muhd is NOT any good example for me - AS WELL AS for millions of other knowledgeable human beings on the Earth.

http://www.amazon.com/Quest-Historic...0328316&sr=1-1

and :

http://www.amazon.com/Why-I-Am-Not-M...0328316&sr=1-6

In fact, he is really amongst the worst kind of examples of human beings the world can ever come to know-this is NOT inspired by my so-called 'hatred' but by real hard FACTS ON THE GROUND.
(forget about trying to associate me with www.answering-islam.org!).

Dan.

May Allah guide dan to the straight path of islam and
cure him of his hatred and confusion of islam that dwells in his heart. May Allah reveal to him the dubious origins of his christological beliefs about Jesus and God Almighty and guide him to accept true monotheism as proclaimed in the Quran and exemplified by our beloved Prophet. Ameeeen!!!!

[smaneck]

it is not hatred, i think it is an effort to prove whatever he thinks is right is right, regardless of it being factual.

That doesn't explain his need to be abusive. Such behavior must reflect a deep hatred.

[Dan Zebiri]

LOLLLLing around on the floor - why must you islamoophiles always ascribe 'hate' to Christians who reject islam!!!???

Does it not occur to you that our rejection of Islam stems from other reasons THAN hatred...!

Like very sound factual reasons NOT TO follow such a belief!

That just reflects a one-track mind and shallow thinking.

Dan.

[Roarie]

Hi Apostoli
Thank you for your reply. I agree context is important. I am keen to read any published Muslim literature indicating how context or any other factor can adequately deal with the specific contradictions that I cited, as well as numerous other ones that can be found. I would be very pleased to hear from you or anyone else how these contradictions can be turned into only apparent contradictions, based on Islamic published literature, complete with adequate referencing.

My study of the Qur'an has shown me that it does have a system indicating which statement should be followed and which statement should be considered overruled when two conflicting statements are found. However I would still like to see explained, from published Muslim literature, why contradictory statements, and in particular but not exclusively the ones I mentioned, may have existed in the first place.

Certainly Christians have published explanations for apparent contradictions found in the Bible, and so I consider it reasonable to see publications from Muslims dealing with contradictions found in the Qur'an.

You mentioned that you could not see any contradictions in the texts I cited. I had hoped that by presenting a summary for each, namely a new sentence beginning with "So..." that the contradictory nature of the statements could be easily discerned.

Regards
Roarie

[Roarie]

Hi John
Thanks for your reply. I am afraid that I can not understand how your comments on the first pair of contradictions provide an explanation from within the world of Islam. Your comments mentioned Judas and Peter. However the verses from the Qur'an that I gave have nothing to do with Judas and Peter. Perhaps you are simply trying to say that both the Qur'an and the Bible have real or apparent contradictions. However such a statement by you would not at all indicate that this first pair are not contradictory verses found within the Qur'an. Please elaborate on how your comments provide an explanation for these contradictory Qur'anic statements.
Regards
Roarie

[Roarie]

Hi Mudcake,
I look forward to your reply. Please provide details of references from published Muslim scholars when you do reply.
Regarding your comment on whether dealing with all contradictions would then have me believing that the Qur'an was from the creator of the universe, I am sure that you would agree that lack of contradiction would only be a first step in the process. After all even a soccer rule book may be shown to lack contradictions, but that is not going to lead me instantly to believe it is from the hand of God.
Regards
Roarie

[technomage]

LOLLLLing around on the floor - why must you islamoophiles always ascribe 'hate' to Christians who reject islam!!!???

Greetings, Dan,

Like you, I reject Islam (in part, because of the clearly evident errors of the Qur'an). However, you give every evidence of not only rejecting Islam, but of having contempt for those who follow it. The insults are not necessary, nor are they helpful to your arguments.

I also have to wonder--are you willing (or even able) to examine the Bible with the same critical eye with which you examine the Qur'an? If so, are you willing and able to discuss such a critical analysis?

[barnasha]

Hi Apostoli
Thank you for your reply. I agree context is important. I am keen to read any published Muslim literature indicating how context or any other factor can adequately deal with the specific contradictions that I cited, as well as numerous other ones that can be found. I would be very pleased to hear from you or anyone else how these contradictions can be turned into only apparent contradictions, based on Islamic published literature, complete with adequate referencing.

My study of the Qur'an has shown me that it does have a system indicating which statement should be followed and which statement should be considered overruled when two conflicting statements are found. However I would still like to see explained, from published Muslim literature, why contradictory statements, and in particular but not exclusively the ones I mentioned, may have existed in the first place.

Certainly Christians have published explanations for apparent contradictions found in the Bible, and so I consider it reasonable to see publications from Muslims dealing with contradictions found in the Qur'an.

You mentioned that you could not see any contradictions in the texts I cited. I had hoped that by presenting a summary for each, namely a new sentence beginning with "So..." that the contradictory nature of the statements could be easily discerned.

Regards
Roarie

A contradiction often exists solely in the eyes of the one who sees it.

[technomage]

A contradiction often exists solely in the eyes of the one who sees it.

Greetings in peace, Barnasha,

Actually, I must disagree with you here. Actual contradictions in texts are relatively clear, easy to see, and easy to understand. The problem occurs when people with an agenda enter into the conversation: those with an agenda against a specific text tend to find "contradictions" where none such exist, while those with an agenda for the text tend to explain away the most blatant contradiction.

The easiest solution is to have a neutral party examine the supposed contradiction. Unfortunately, in the case of both the Bible and the Qur'an, "neutral parties" are frequently accused of actually hating the text in question, or the hating faith that the text represents. Such accusations are false (and shameful on the accuser), but they occur--all too frequently.