California in Play for McCain?

[bridgeforsale]

So are a lot of our legislators.

Q.E.D.

so also were most of our founding fathers? So am I .....

Law is like any other profession, full of sinners. If however someone is a Christian then whatever they do in their professional life they will serve God in whatever way they're anointed to.

It's funny -- everyone loves to make fun of lawyers .... no big deal we're used to it; but when people run into some sort of catastrophe in their lives who do they call? Everyone loves to talk about how those big bad tort lawyers love to sue poor doctors or companies; yet they never stop to think why these entities get sued? When a doctor leaves a sponge in someones body and they get an infection that kills or almost kills them --- and the family discovers that the hospital was overworking the doctor who performed the surgery so bad it was a matter of time before he negligently hurt someone. What will prevent that hospital from continuing their negligent practices? I'll tell you -- knowing they will be sued? How will that family survive now that their bread winner is dead? I'll tell you -- the hospital who gets pummeled by a law suit. So my suggestion is before making fun of lawyers imagine being the son of some guy who dies because of the negligence of some entity like the hypothetical hospital I mentioned.



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[Paintbucket]

And then we have the folks who spill coffee on themselves in drive-thrus, break into a house and slip on a knife, break into a building to steal copper wire and get electrocuted, walk across a toxic waste container and fall in, etc. And then they sue...

[bridgeforsale]

And then we have the folks who spill coffee on themselves in drive-thrus, break into a house and slip on a knife, break into a building to steal copper wire and get electrocuted, walk across a toxic waste container and fall in, etc. And then they sue...

Obviously these suits were beyond silly -- they should have never been allowed in a court room; but law is no different than any other business. If a lawyer thinks they can make money legally (even if their ethics are questionable) many will give it shot. Is this any different than the beef farmer who cuts corners by feeding cattle the crushed up remains of other cattle (putting us at risk of mad cow disease)? Legal but unethical -- yet I hear no rancher jokes? What about the company who fails to install a safety device because they figure the lawsuits will be cheaper than the one customer per million who dies? Legal but unethical -- yet I hear no corporate jokes? I can go on and on but you get the point, law is no different than any profession, you have good lawyers and bad lawyers. In fact few other professions afford one the opportunity to do as much good as law does; but again not all lawyers choose this route (like not all ranchers avoid feeding cows the remains of other cows or pumping them with hormones because there's an extra buck to be made).

I understand lawyer jokes are funny and it's become popular fodder to say it's them dang lawyers' fault -- but seriously it's just as dumb as blaming Bush for the weather. Usually I find lawyer jokes are most popular among those who either are making money unethically (and by harming others) or were too dumb to even think about law school.

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[shadowmaster]

Obviously these suits were beyond silly -- they should have never been allowed in a court room; but law is no different than any other business. If a lawyer thinks they can make money legally (even if their ethics are questionable) many will give it shot. Is this any different than the beef farmer who cuts corners by feeding cattle the crushed up remains of other cattle (putting us at risk of mad cow disease)? Legal but unethical -- yet I hear no rancher jokes?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...+jokes&spell=1

over 295.000 of them

What about the company who fails to install a safety device because they figure the lawsuits will be cheaper than the one customer per million who dies? Legal but unethical -- yet I hear no corporate jokes?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...+jokes&spell=1

over 6 million

I can go on and on but you get the point, law is no different than any profession, you have good lawyers and bad lawyers. In fact few other professions afford one the opportunity to do as much good as law does; but again not all lawyers choose this route (like not all ranchers avoid feeding cows the remains of other cows or pumping them with hormones because there's an extra buck to be made).

I understand lawyer jokes are funny and it's become popular fodder to say it's them dang lawyers' fault -- but seriously it's just as dumb as blaming Bush for the weather. Usually I find lawyer jokes are most popular among those who either are making money unethically (and by harming others) or were too dumb to even think about law school.

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Someone needs to lighten up. You should hear the jokes about us superheros.
heh heh

[Tladatsi]

I think McCain wins presidency in a close race. They'll trade some states from 04 but he should pull it out. Both have positives, but Obama has more negatives. Still, Congress is more important and the Dems will grow stronger in that department.

Two poles both have Obama out ahead by double digits. The Newsweek pole has Obama leading by 15 points and the LA Times Bloomberg pole has him with a 12 point lead. There was another pole earlier which is even more interesting, sorry I don't remember which, where they surveyed people about who they were planning to vote for and who they thought would win. That one had ahead Obama by only a few points. However, what was really interesting was among people planning to vote for McCain, a solid majority thought that Obama would win. I think that is the a really key metric.

It is a long way to November and a lot can happen but with a lead like that in June, it is Obama's election to loose.

[bridgeforsale]

Two poles both have Obama out ahead by double digits. The Newsweek pole has Obama leading by 15 points and the LA Times Bloomberg pole has him with a 12 point lead. There was another pole earlier which is even more interesting, sorry I don't remember which, where they surveyed people about who they were planning to vote for and who they thought would win. That one had ahead Obama by only a few points. However, what was really interesting was among people planning to vote for McCain, a solid majority thought that Obama would win. I think that is the a really key metric.

It is a long way to November and a lot can happen but with a lead like that in June, it is Obama's election to loose.

funny, I looked at Gallup during the same time frames these polls were released & they had the race at practically a statistical dead heat. The so called news organizations that released these polls barely have the credibility of moveon.org


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[decoski]

Polls this early are meaningless. I heard that about this time in the campaign, Mondale had a 15 point national lead over Reagan.

[Tladatsi]

Wall Street Journal June 11, 2008; Page A5

Republicans are bracing for double-digit losses in the House and the prospect of four or five losses in the Senate, as they fight to hold a wide range of districts and states normally seen as safe for them, from Alaska and Colorado to Mississippi and North Carolina.

© source where applicable

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...gn2008_leftbox

It is not just John McCain.

funny, I looked at Gallup during the same time frames these polls were released & they had the race at practically a statistical dead heat. The so called news organizations that released these polls barely have the credibility of moveon.org


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[bridgeforsale]

Wall Street Journal June 11, 2008; Page A5

Republicans are bracing for double-digit losses in the House and the prospect of four or five losses in the Senate, as they fight to hold a wide range of districts and states normally seen as safe for them, from Alaska and Colorado to Mississippi and North Carolina.

© source where applicable

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...gn2008_leftbox

It is not just John McCain.

And the republicans are playing dead ..... they're more like a hibernating elephant these days? I'm worried for this country; the dems given that much control will hurt us in ways I don't even want to imagine.

[bridgeforsale]

Polls this early are meaningless. I heard that about this time in the campaign, Mondale had a 15 point national lead over Reagan.

I hope you're right .... I think all conservatives need to step up and do something to help McCain. I'm gonna start by praying.


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[shadowmaster]

I hope you're right .... I think all conservatives need to step up and do something to help McCain. I'm gonna start by praying.


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History shows us that in the US: Lousy economy = "throw the bums out" and nothing else trumps that.

Do not fear.
The Lord can overcome even president Obama.
Did we not survive Carter?

heh?

[bridgeforsale]

History shows us that in the US: Lousy economy = "throw the bums out" and nothing else trumps that.

Do not fear.
The Lord can overcome even president Obama.

that's my only confidence

Did we not survive Carter?

heh?

yeah ..... but just barely


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[Jaltus]

Stop thinking about polls and pay more attention to the electoral map. Who cares who wins the popular media vote, all that matters is the big red and blue map.

[shadowmaster]

Check this out:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[FormerFundy]

Stop thinking about polls and pay more attention to the electoral map. Who cares who wins the popular media vote, all that matters is the big red and blue map.

Exactly.

I don't know if California is in play or not but I think it might be. As you mention, there are some strong conservatives there who will be motivated to go to the polls due to the gay marriage issue. In addition, as it stands right now, Obama is not doing real well with the Hispanics. Thats why I think he will take Bill Richardson as his running mate. He absolutely has to have them in order to win.

I am concerned about Georgia where I live. Normally we are a solidly red state but with Obama and the race factor, I don't know about this time. A very large number of black people, I feel, are going to turn out to vote for him simply because he is black and this is the first time that they have had a real chance to win the Presidency.

Lest someone say I am racist, I could care less what color Obama's skin is. Its not the race but the record that disturbs me.

I would gladly vote for Colin Powell or a number of other black leaders for President but not Obama. He is way too liberal for me and IMO, very close to Karl Marx in ideology.