Hillary's America: a move about the history of the Democratic Party

[Terraceth]

Wars tend to hurt the deficit. So does a housing bubble bursting. Several of us here were also very critical of Bush's stimulus packages, which were not conservative ideas.

Neither of which are a defense. The housing bubble burst happened in 2007, so that's only an excuse for the last two years of his presidency. As for the war, he was the one who started the Iraq war, so saying "wars tend to hurt the deficit" is like defending Obama by saying "government programs tend to hurt the deficit."

[shunyadragon]

Part II - the evolution of the political parties in the 20th century. The first half of the 20th century was a mixed political picture dominated by the Depression and two World Wars, but when Civil Rights and voting rights legislation came to fore front things radically changed. States rights again became the banner of the conservative South, but it was becoming the Republican Party.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats#American_Civil_War_and_post-Reconstruction

After World War II, during the civil rights movement, Democrats in the South initially still voted loyally with their party. After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the old argument that all whites had to stick together to prevent civil rights legislation lost its force because the legislation had now been passed. More and more whites began to vote Republican, especially in the suburbs and growing cities. Newcomers from the North were mostly Republican; they were now joined by conservatives and wealthy Southern whites, while liberal whites and poor whites, especially in rural areas, remained with the Democratic Party.

In the presidential elections of 1952 and 1956 Republican nominee Dwight David Eisenhower, a popular World War II general, won several Southern states, thus breaking some white Southerners away from their Democratic Party pattern. The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a significant event in converting the Deep South to the Republican Party; in that year most Senatorial Republicans supported the Act (most of the opposition came from Southern Democrats), but the Republican Party nominated for the Presidency Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater, who had opposed it. From the end of the Civil War to 1960 Democrats had solid control over the southern states in presidential elections, hence the term "Solid South" to describe the states' Democratic preference. After the passage of this Act, however, their willingness to support Republicans on a presidential level increased demonstrably. Goldwater won many of the "Solid South" states over Democratic candidate Lyndon Johnson, himself a Texan, and with many this Republican support continued and seeped down the ballot to congressional, state, and ultimately local levels. A further significant item of legislation was the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which targeted for preclearance by the U.S. Department of Justice any election-law change in areas where African-American voting participation was lower than the norm (most but not all of these areas were in the South); the effect of the Voting Rights Act on southern elections was profound, including the by-product that some White Southerners perceived it as meddling while Black voters universally appreciated it. The trend toward acceptance of Republican identification among Southern White voters was bolstered in the next two elections by Richard Nixon.

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Part III next the switch of the parties becomes complete. The South becomes again the 'Solid South' this time solidly Conservative Republican.

Seventy five years ago Duke would be Democrat, today he is a Republican.

[Jaecp]

The Republicans weren't promoting a former KKK kleagle and Exalted Cyclops to the Senate Majority Leader position or making him President pro tempore a couple months after he was repeatedly using the n-word in a national TV interview.

Drop the Pratts, Rogue. I told you last time that that is a ceremonial position for the longest serving senator of the party in power and he apologized for using the phrase "white niggers" in an interview.

You always seem to forget to tell people he wasn't using the n-word at a black person. Why is that? Or that that position doesn't actually, you know, do anything. Why is that?

[Bill the Cat]

Neither of which are a defense.

Yes they are.

The housing bubble burst happened in 2007,

But it began to turn down in early 2006.

so that's only an excuse for the last two years of his presidency.

And the first 5 years deficit were from rebuilding the military from Clinton's dismantling of it, and fighting a war on 2 fronts.

As for the war, he was the one who started the Iraq war,

Actually, no. Sadaam started it in 1990. Clinton repeatedly ignored Iraq's violations of the cease fire terms, with the exception of Operation Desert Fox (Since then, no inspectors were allowed back in, which also violated the terms of the cease fire). And even Desert Fox was just Clinton basically taking a fly swatter to Iraq instead of toppling Hussein's regime. Bush finished the job that Clinton should have.

so saying "wars tend to hurt the deficit" is like defending Obama by saying "government programs tend to hurt the deficit."

Apples and oranges.

[Cow Poke]

Drop the Pratts, Rogue. I told you last time that that is a ceremonial position for the longest serving senator of the party in power and he apologized for using the phrase "white niggers" in an interview.

You always seem to forget to tell people he wasn't using the n-word at a black person. Why is that? Or that that position doesn't actually, you know, do anything. Why is that?

Yeah, cause it's perfectly fine to use the word "nigger" as long as you proceed it with "white".

[Jaecp]

Yeah, cause it's perfectly fine to use the word "nigger" as long as you proceed it with "white".

Obviously not, which is why he still apologized immediately. Doesn't make Rogues misleading statements any better CP. Why are you defending misleading language?

[Cow Poke]

Obviously not, which is why he still apologized immediately. Doesn't make Rogues misleading statements any better CP. Why are you defending misleading language?

A) That's an allegation, not a fact
2) Rogue's posts are generally based on fact and supported by citations, and, you, dude, like just like toss in an occasional like snarky comment dude with no support.

[rogue06]

Drop the Pratts, Rogue. I told you last time that that is a ceremonial position for the longest serving senator of the party in power and he apologized for using the phrase "white niggers" in an interview.

You always seem to forget to tell people he wasn't using the n-word at a black person. Why is that? Or that that position doesn't actually, you know, do anything. Why is that?

That honor was bestowed only a couple months after Byrd used the n-word not once but twice. And we're not talking about being caught by a hidden camera or overheard on a hot microphone that he didn't know was on during a private conversation. He said it to a reporter during an interview that was meant to be aired for a national audience. That indicates someone extremely comfortable using that language to the point it was second nature.

Sure he apologized after saying it twice. What else would you expect him to do? Now imagine for a second a senior Republican Senator casually using the n-word a couple times in an interview to describe a group of people and then simply issuing an apology for it. Do you think the media would give him a free pass? Especially if he had a history like Byrd's? A former KKK kleagle and Exalted Cyclops and had filibustered against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 hours (this was back when filibustering was tough and well before it was made much easier to do).

And then imagine the Republicans turning around just a couple months later and making that person President pro tempore of the United States Senate. That would be sternly condemned nightly on news broadcasts for weeks to come as it would be "the" story.

But Byrd and the Democrats were given a complete pass.

And as for the position of President pro tempore, that isn't just some ceremonial position as you want to portray it but rather is the second-highest-ranking official of the United States Senate. For instance they are third in the line of succession to the presidency, after the vice president and the Speaker of the House of Representatives and they preside over Senate sessions. Further, the President pro tempore makes appointment of various congressional officers as well as some commissions and advisory boards.

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[seanD]

It shows how the Democratic Party lies to its membership and the American public.

Wikileaks affirmed.

[Mountain Man]

...the Dems are a pretty normal centre-right party.

[Mountain Man]

Yeah, cause it's perfectly fine to use the word "nigger" as long as you proceed it with "white".

Oh, come on, they're just words, and he apologized for it. That should be the end of it.



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