Christian history

[Barabbas126]

"The History of Christianity"?

For all intents and purposes... It begins with Saul of Tarsus aka Paul's (supposed and alleged) epiphany of the Jewish 'messiah', -approx. ten years after his crucifixion. It was Paul who first identified (and thus named... or quite probably re-named) the Jewish messiah... certainly Paul 'transliterated' the perfectly known and generally used Hebrew appellation 'messiah' into the Greek 'Kristos' (later Anglicized into "Christ"), -for which, by the way, there is no etymological basis or foundation in the Greek language or custom.

One must wonder why Saul or Paul found it necessary to 'transliterate' 'messiah' into "Christ"... I suspect that Saul or Paul sought to divert we latter-peoples' attention away from Jewish history re. his great, great, great grandfather's abysmal and disgraced role as the first 'anointed' king of the Jews.

In any event, I cannot even imagine any other man besides Saul who Hated the 'descendants of David' (later re-named "Christians')more than he... with the possible exceptions of Mark & Luke who helped concoct the charade and myth re. "Jesus Christ".

[Barabbas126]

"There Are No Just Wars"... ?

Would you Not 'fight to the death' to establish or uphold a 'Theocratic' form of governance? Coverversely, oppose such a governance?

What Do You think the 'insurrection' (starting approx. 6 A. D. and ending in 70 A. D.) was About???

Why Do You think the Jewish messiah was crucified... and untold numbers of his follwers likewise died the death?

Who's side was Just... Nobody's?

It might be best and certainly more 'honest' if you say.... "I have no reason or will to go to war."

Surely some (Most) of the men during Herod's day rejected a 'theological form of governance'... whereas, some (a few) believed Otherwise...

[One Bad Pig]

"The History of Christianity"?

For all intents and purposes... It begins with Saul of Tarsus aka Paul's (supposed and alleged) epiphany of the Jewish 'messiah', -approx. ten years after his crucifixion. It was Paul who first identified (and thus named... or quite probably re-named) the Jewish messiah... certainly Paul 'transliterated' the perfectly known and generally used Hebrew appellation 'messiah' into the Greek 'Kristos' (later Anglicized into "Christ"), -for which, by the way, there is no etymological basis or foundation in the Greek language or custom.

One must wonder why Saul or Paul found it necessary to 'transliterate' 'messiah' into "Christ"... I suspect that Saul or Paul sought to divert we latter-peoples' attention away from Jewish history re. his great, great, great grandfather's abysmal and disgraced role as the first 'anointed' king of the Jews.

In any event, I cannot even imagine any other man besides Saul who Hated the 'descendants of David' (later re-named "Christians')more than he... with the possible exceptions of Mark & Luke who helped concoct the charade and myth re. "Jesus Christ".

Dude, you keep using the word "transliterate." I don't think it means what you think it means. "Messiah" is a transliteration from Aramaic to English. "Christ" is a transliteration from Greek to English.

One wonders why, with your evident contempt for the term, you label yourself a "Christian" in your profile.

[Sparko]

"The History of Christianity"?

For all intents and purposes... It begins with Saul of Tarsus aka Paul's (supposed and alleged) epiphany of the Jewish 'messiah', -approx. ten years after his crucifixion. It was Paul who first identified (and thus named... or quite probably re-named) the Jewish messiah... certainly Paul 'transliterated' the perfectly known and generally used Hebrew appellation 'messiah' into the Greek 'Kristos' (later Anglicized into "Christ"), -for which, by the way, there is no etymological basis or foundation in the Greek language or custom.

One must wonder why Saul or Paul found it necessary to 'transliterate' 'messiah' into "Christ"... I suspect that Saul or Paul sought to divert we latter-peoples' attention away from Jewish history re. his great, great, great grandfather's abysmal and disgraced role as the first 'anointed' king of the Jews.

In any event, I cannot even imagine any other man besides Saul who Hated the 'descendants of David' (later re-named "Christians')more than he... with the possible exceptions of Mark & Luke who helped concoct the charade and myth re. "Jesus Christ".

um dude. "Christ" is the greek word for "anointed" (Messiah is the hebrew word for "anointed")

[pablo]

Hi! I apologise if I've put this in the wrong forum.
Anyway, I want to learn as much as I can about the history of Christianity, including in-depth information about different denominations and doctrines and things. Can anyone point me to any really good websites, or give me names of good books to read? Preferably I'd like websites, but I understand that the internet can be a bit sus when it comes to information about certain things.

Thanks!

edit: whoops - I've just discovered there's a whole church history section of the forum. Sorry! =(

it is better to be burn than to bow...

read this my friend

trail of blood

[humanevitae]

Hi! I apologise if I've put this in the wrong forum.
Anyway, I want to learn as much as I can about the history of Christianity, including in-depth information about different denominations and doctrines and things. Can anyone point me to any really good websites, or give me names of good books to read? Preferably I'd like websites, but I understand that the internet can be a bit sus when it comes to information about certain things.

Thanks!

edit: whoops - I've just discovered there's a whole church history section of the forum. Sorry! =(

The Cleaving of Christendom by Warren H. Carroll
Published by Christendom Press

[One Bad Pig]

The Cleaving of Christendom by Warren H. Carroll
Published by Christendom Press

Ooh, a Roman Catholic perspective. Interesting.

[one_lost_coin]

Instead of reading peoples opinions of other people why not read the letters of the actual people who knew the actual Apostles.

http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html

this is from calvin college with modern english translations of the letters from some of the very people the Apostles approved of to replace them as heads of the Church. St. Ignatius, St. Clement, St. Polycarp... no need to guess what the Apostles taught them they just tell you what they heard.

Church history from those who were alive and lived it you can't do better than that.

[Andius]

If you are interested in learning about the Education of the Church, I reccomend this one:

A History of Christian School Education (it is divided in 2 volumes) by Paul A. Kienel

While this book only focuses on one aspect of the Church, once you have learned a good deal of the general history of the Church, you can look up it's particulars. Especially since the Church has a very rich history in Education, and it forms one of the core pillars of it's body, so learning about this one aspect is most fascinating. :)

The only flaw this book has as far as I'm concerned, is that the author speaks very lowly about the Roman Catholic Church, but not to the point of trivializing the accuracy of it's history, so it is a minus that is not too big of a screaming deal.

Enjoy ^^

[Barabbas126]

Hi! I apologise if I've put this in the wrong forum.
Anyway, I want to learn as much as I can about the history of Christianity, including in-depth information about different denominations and doctrines and things. Can anyone point me to any really good websites, or give me names of good books to read? Preferably I'd like websites, but I understand that the internet can be a bit sus when it comes to information about certain things.

Thanks!

edit: whoops - I've just discovered there's a whole church history section of the forum. Sorry! =(

It is from our lack of 'true' understanding' of the very first principle of the first 'Commandment' that all that follows becomes askew. All that proceeds from: "I am the Lord thy God, thy shall not have any other Gods before me" either leads toward unending 'true' understanding and peace or unending 'speculation' and chaos.

How may the lessor, the greater comprehend?

There is a way O Soul, -be still and know; few dare that exercise this unseeming option, preferring instead the glorification of the intellectual ego versus humility of the heart.

'Teach love, use words only when necessary.'

Roland, -a reluctant iconoclast.

[Barabbas126]

Dude, you keep using the word "transliterate." I don't think it means what you think it means. "Messiah" is a transliteration from Aramaic to English. "Christ" is a transliteration from Greek to English.

One wonders why, with your evident contempt for the term, you label yourself a "Christian" in your profile.

"The History of Christianity"?

For all intents and purposes... It begins with Saul of Tarsus aka Paul's (supposed and alleged) epiphany of the Jewish 'messiah', -approx. ten years after his crucifixion. It was Paul who first identified (and thus named... or quite probably re-named) the Jewish messiah... certainly Paul 'transliterated' the perfectly known and generally used Hebrew appellation 'messiah' into the Greek 'Kristos' (later Anglicized into "Christ"), -for which, by the way, there is no etymological basis or foundation in the Greek language or custom.

One must wonder why Saul or Paul found it necessary to 'transliterate' 'messiah' into "Christ"... I suspect that Saul or Paul sought to divert we latter-peoples' attention away from Jewish history re. his great, great, great grandfather's abysmal and disgraced role as the first 'anointed' king of the Jews.

In any event, I cannot even imagine any other man besides Saul who Hated the 'descendants of David' (later re-named "Christians')more than he... with the possible exceptions of Mark & Luke who helped concoct the charade and myth re. "Jesus Christ".

um dude. "Christ" is the greek word for "anointed" (Messiah is the hebrew word for "anointed")

Your 'point' well taken, -I'll not quibble. Further, 'anointed' merely means 'blessed' (in a ritualistic rite originally performed by a 'prophet' (in this particular case, Samuel) employing 'sacred oil'.

Nevertheless, 'The History of Christianity' began: "For all intents and purposes... with Saul of Tarsus aka Paul's (supposed and alleged) epiphany of the Jewish 'messiah', -approx. ten years after the questionable crucifixion of 'the descendant of David and the Jewish 'messiah'. It was Paul who first identified (and thus named... or quite probably re-named) the Jewish 'messiah'... certainly Paul 'transliterated' the perfectly known and generally used Hebrew appellation 'messiah' into the Greek 'Kristos' (later Anglicized into "Christ"), -for which, by the way, there is no etymological basis or foundation in the Greek language or custom.

One must wonder why Saul or Paul found it necessary to 'transliterate' 'messiah' into "Christ"... I suspect that Saul or Paul sought to divert we latter-peoples' attention away from Jewish history re. his great, great, great grandfather's abysmal and disgraced role as the first 'anointed' king of the Jews.

In any event, I cannot even imagine any other man besides Saul who Hated the 'descendants of David' (later re-named "Christians')more than he... with the possible exceptions of Mark & Luke who helped concoct the charade and myth re. "Jesus Christ".

You need not trouble yourself in wonderment as to why I "label myself a 'Christian' (in my profile) and thus divert your attention (and the purpose of my original post and this reply) away from that which I posted as fact as I know it. But, FYI, -I am 'Christian' (Roman Catholic) by virtue of childhood rites of 'Baptism', 'Communion' and 'Confirmation' that were given to me, as well as provided by my background and education. However, I am not 'Christian', as you suggest: "evident contempt for the term, you label yourself a "Christian" in your profile.", Trust me, it is not "contempt for the term"... or any "contempt whatsoever". Indeed, "contempt" is blinding, -I would never learn the original or heart of 'The History of Christianity' as created by Saul or Paul otherwise than Love. I have simple stated what I have found to be true.

You might re-read what I have posted without your own contemptuous bias or prejudice.

Roland, -a reluctant iconoclast.