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Thread: If Evolution is True, why do Humans need a Savior but the Great Apes do Not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Nevertheless this does not invalidate the point that the so-called "educated geologists like Tas Walker and Emil Silvestru" referenced by hansgeorg are YEC's who believe (contrary to the vast majority of geologists), that the geological evidence supports the Great Flood and associated mythology. It doesn't.
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    It's easy to understand how Creationism could be confused with an April Fool's Day joke. It's the ultimate POE.
    And it's easy to see how someone can fall for an April Fool's Day joke which suggests something that he would like to believe. But sometimes it is wise to take an extra minute or so to verify that a story is actually true, even if the story comes from the internet, where everything is supposed to be 100% accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbertsche View Post
    agreed.


    And it's easy to see how someone can fall for an April Fool's Day joke which suggests something that he would like to believe. But sometimes it is wise to take an extra minute or so to verify that a story is actually true, even if the story comes from the internet, where everything is supposed to be 100% accurate.
    I believe it is overly naive to expect 100% accuracy in most source. I, of course, do not mind at being corrected in an error like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbertsche View Post

    And it's easy to see how someone can fall for an April Fool's Day joke which suggests something that he would like to believe. But sometimes it is wise to take an extra minute or so to verify that a story is actually true, even if the story comes from the internet, where everything is supposed to be 100% accurate.
    True of course! But 'confirmation bias can be found in all disciplines and it's obviously more likely when, as in this instance, it reinforces the conclusions arrived at by the vast majority of specialists in the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbertsche View Post
    agreed.


    And it's easy to see how someone can fall for an April Fool's Day joke which suggests something that he would like to believe. But sometimes it is wise to take an extra minute or so to verify that a story is actually true, even if the story comes from the internet, where everything is supposed to be 100% accurate.
    To add I believe the biggest April Fool's jpke of all time is the those 'few' scientists who dishonestly propose a YEC Creationist view of the origin of our physical existence, followed close by the belief that the origin of our physical existence follows the belief of OEC Creationism. and then you can see the Great Wall from the moon and then the water goes down the toilet in reverse in the southern hemisphere.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hansgeorg View Post
    Only for those to whom it is unacceptable as cosmology (old sense of the word, description of how cosmos works).
    It is unacceptable to the vast majority of cosmologists that an “angel of the sun” brought about the Miracle of Fatima.

    Only for prejudiced Humeans.
    Hume’s dictum re miracles can be easily rebutted by producing substantive, verified evidence of miracles.

    Even with a Creationist agenda, they also have to have arguments of a scientific nature.
    They are arguments grounded in Creationist presuppositions and the “evidence” is not accepted by the vast majority of geologists.

    such as?
    Philo of Alexandria for one. He had a special interest in Judean and Hellenistic religious history and was an exact contemporary of Jesus with important family connections in Jerusalem. And yet we get nothing from Philo re Jesus or the alleged dramatic events surrounding Jesus' life and death.

    You have no evidence whatsoever they started out as two separate Churches.
    We have good evidence of the Jerusalem Church based upon the actual teaching of Jesus with a Jewish-based agenda. And by contrast we have evidence of the mission to the Gentiles by Paul, self-appointed apostle, based solely upon his alleged vision of the ‘Heavenly Jesus’ and the "gospel which came from no man”. At best there was uneasy compromise between the two Christian churches.
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