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Story of creation: Genesis.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostNone of this has to do with the description given in Genesis. It doesn't have an exact description of size, all that it says is that the heavens are "vast". Again, you are making a conflict where none exists.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhere does it say the Heavens are vast?Last edited by firstfloor; 03-06-2014, 04:28 PM.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostA couple or three translations of Genesis 2:1 has "vast array" instead of "all their host". Paula Fredriksen explains the Ptolemaic cosmos pretty well in a couple of her lectures. Earth at the centre was the worst place to be.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostPerhaps if you stopped trying the read the Genesis account as if it was an attempt at a modern scientific description of creation - which it isn't - you might not find so much fault with it.
I think the point of the account is to show God as supreme, Creator and Maker of all - perhaps as a counterpart to contemporary creation myths.Last edited by Jedidiah; 03-06-2014, 05:38 PM.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe problem with Genesis is that it was believed literally by Orthodox Christianity for most of it's history, and the problematic controversy of it's literal 'truth' was only confronted by the progress of 'secular' scientific knowledge. A sizable number if not most Christians in the USA, and many Muslims still believe in a literal Genesis.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe problems of a literal Genesis are overwhelming, including the relatively small size of our universe, and an awkward young scenario of the creation of our solar system.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhere does it say the Heavens are vast?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostActually the Genesis account can be and has been read as consistent with modern scientific description.
Agreed....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostWhere do you get the idea that the Genesis account relates to just this galaxy? Your time frame is okay, but how does that suggest our galaxy as opposed to everything as the account states?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostWell the stars are uncountable. That is pretty vast. My question to you is where do you find in the Bible the idea that creation is small?Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-06-2014, 08:22 PM.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
The problem disappears if you remove infallibility from the adherents of "Orthodox (sic) Christianity for most of it's history." I do not see the faulty interpretation of Genesis by early Christian (or anyone else) as demonstrating a flaw in the Bible. The flaw is in the interpretation. I believe the Genesis account is literally true, but I also accept the data found by modern science. No problem.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-06-2014, 08:56 PM.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostPerhaps if you stopped trying the read the Genesis account as if it was an attempt at a modern scientific description of creation - which it isn't - you might not find so much fault with it.
I think the point of the account is to show God as supreme, Creator and Maker of all - perhaps as a counterpart to contemporary creation myths.
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I can count the scientists that agree with Hugh Ross in the past 50 years using my fingers without taking off my shoes. By the peer review of the consensus of the scientific community Hugh Ross is grossly incompetent. This consensus is 99+% scientists that accept evolution, and contemporary cosmology, and this does not include Hugh Ross.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-06-2014, 08:35 PM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYou are arguing an interpretation. The material that makes up the Sun would have been there with its Earth and its debris in orbit, along with all the other matter which makes of the solar system.
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