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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhere does Socrates speak only of absolutes?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostSocrates does not speak only of absolutes.
Socrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans not knowing absolutes.'
Now prove that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou said when Socrates was speaking of knowing nothing you said he was speaking only of absolutes.
Socrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans not knowing absolutes.'
Now prove that.
His philosophy in simplicity was, "I know nothing, and my quest is the never ending search of knowledge."
This article goes into considerable detail concerning the 'Socratic method' and American Law.
Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-25-2016, 08:28 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragonSocrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans not knowing absolutes.'Originally posted by seer View PostYou said when Socrates was speaking of knowing nothing you said he was speaking only of absolutes.
Do you ever not misrepresent people's words?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo he didn't.
Do you ever not misrepresent people's words?
The 'nothing' used by The 'nothing' used by Socrates does not translate to your 'nothing.' Socrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans knowing absolutes.' It is your problem that your an anal grammarian literalist, and refuse to understand the different meaning of words in philosophy.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostSeer, there is no possible 'proof' either way. You were not clear in your statement; "Where does Socrates speak only of absolutes?" Socrates speaks of many things and his philosophy is applied in many ways. We only know his philosophy through Plato his student. In particular, our American legal system is based on the application of Socratic philosophy. Socrates believed in the 'soul' and absolute truth beyond our world, and believed in the human quest of this knowledge.
Socrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans not knowing absolutes.'
You have not demonstrated that claim to be true.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Shuny you made a claim that when Socrates was speaking of 'nothing' that that was a reference to absolutes.
Socrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans not knowing absolutes.'
You have not demonstrated that claim to be true.
I have found that many here on Tweb lack even a basic understanding of Philosophy and Logic, and seer you top the list.Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-26-2016, 05:49 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally Roy, then tell me what this means:Shuny clearly said that when Socrates used the term nothing that he was speaking of knowing absolutes.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostWhat it says. But not only of absolutes. That was your misrepresentation, which you are now pretending didn't happen.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostSilly seer, read the English and at least try to understand Socrates Method and Philosophy at it's basic level. The Method of Socrates is that humans should seek an eternal search of knowledge through questions and not attain absolute 'truth.' Reading the whole references such as the one from the University of Chicago Laws School may help, but than again basic English comprehension may be a barrier to some. If you had a basic understand of philosophers like Socrates, Plato and others you would realize how meaningless your questions are.
I have found that many here on Tweb lack even a basic understanding of Philosophy and Logic, and seer you top the list.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense, Shuny clearly said that the "nothing" that Socrates was speaking of was about absolutes.
Socrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans knowing absolutes.'He did not say absolutes and other things - just absolutes.
I see no point in continuing to belabour this point. You are deliberately misrepresenting what Shunyadragon said in order to criticise a position he does not hold. You always do this. Always. I don't think I've ever seen you summarise your opponent's view accurately. In fact your entire posting history can be summed up as:
someone: x
seer: so you agree y?
someone: no, that's not what I said.
seer: but you said z!
someone: No I didn't.
Repeated ad infinitum.Last edited by Roy; 07-26-2016, 11:37 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostHe didn't say it was about absolutes, just like he didn't say it was only absolutes. He said it involves absolutes:
Socrates use of 'nothing' involves the skeptical view of fallible 'humans knowing absolutes.' 'involves' implies there are other things. You know this.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd you are just carrying Shuny's water because he was caught in another falsehood.It was about "humans knowing absolutes" the word "involves" does not qualify that in the least.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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