If Babies Go To Heaven, Why Not Abort Them All

[Cow Poke]

Madness is a curse, either upon an individual or else upon the society where the individual lives:

Deuteronomy 32:28-29
The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: and thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

I think that's why we have such serious mental health problems today. Regardless, we are talking about abortion, not postpartum psychosis.

Wow

I've known some dear saints - including my own mother - who were struck with dementia or something later on in life, after living a glorious life for Christ.

Your post is just so wrong on so many levels.

[JimL]

We see this objection come up all the time in debates and discussions where we're dealing with the sanctification of those without the ability to reason, whether it be the unborn, children under a certain age, or the developmentally challenged. To many of us this a ridiculous suggestion, but I believe that the question does have a measure of force to it. From a godless perspective, it may make a logical, if absurd, sense for the theist to condone the abortion of children in order to save them ultimately.

John Piper has a decent, six reason response


I think his points 1 4, and 6 are his strongest, and by themselves offer a great rebuttal. Someone in another thread mentioned that the unborn would not be able to obtain rewards in this life in heaven if they were/are prematurely killed, and while this sort of goes with Piper's point 5, I don't think by itself it is a very good argument. It puts into the mind of the skeptic that Christianity is purely rewards based, which offers ammunition to the common skeptical view that Christianity is nothing but a carrot and stick religion. Rather, we should be emphasizing the innate divine sanctity and preciousness of those created in God's image, and the fact that we have no right to play God.

Okay, that's all I had. If others have more to offer I'd love to see it. Thanks!

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[Christianbookworm]

Madness is a curse, either upon an individual or else upon the society where the individual lives:

Deuteronomy 32:28-29
The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: and thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

I think that's why we have such serious mental health problems today. Regardless, we are talking about abortion, not postpartum psychosis.

We aren't under the old covenant, so that verse does not apply to us!

[Obsidian]

I've known some dear saints - including my own mother - who were struck with dementia or something later on in life, after living a glorious life for Christ.

If they're old and about to die, I don't know that illness would be a curse so much as a natural process of death. It's talking about something more than that. And I didn't write Deuteronomy.

[Cow Poke]

If they're old and about to die, I don't know that illness would be a curse so much as a natural process of death. It's talking about something more than that. And I didn't write Deuteronomy.

No, you just abused it.

[Christianbookworm]

If they're old and about to die, I don't know that illness would be a curse so much as a natural process of death. It's talking about something more than that. And I didn't write Deuteronomy.

It was written to the ancient Israelites. It is and ancient covenant treaty between God and Israel. Since we are under the New Covenant, the curses and blessings of the Old Covenant are not applicable to us.

[Cow Poke]

Madness is a curse, either upon an individual or else upon the society where the individual lives:

Deuteronomy 32:28-29
The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: and thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

I think that's why we have such serious mental health problems today. Regardless, we are talking about abortion, not postpartum psychosis.

I kept thinking that just didn't sound right.

Here's what Deut 32:28-29 actually says:

28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them. 29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!

The passage you obviously intended was Deut 28:28-29, but is PRECEDED by verse 15 which says...

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

That's a conditional statement.

[Catholicity]

Babies cannot make decisions. But I do believe in baptism for them

[KingsGambit]

I think the point of what Jesus was saying was that the children were viewed as insignificant in the society, and that Jesus was telling off his disciples who were trying to get them to buzz off by emphasizing that his kingdom was open to all who wanted to seek him.

[Obsidian]

@Cow Poke

I find your watered-down faith disturbing. But the whole issue of insanity is pretty much irrelevant to this thread so I am not going to keep arguing about it.

[Cow Poke]

@Cow Poke

I find your watered-down faith disturbing. But the whole issue of insanity is pretty much irrelevant to this thread so I am not going to keep arguing about it.

My "watered down faith".

Bless your heart.

[princesa]

I think the point of what Jesus was saying was that the children were viewed as insignificant in the society, and that Jesus was telling off his disciples who were trying to get them to buzz off by emphasizing that his kingdom was open to all who wanted to seek him.

Wow. I really didn't get that at all. I just took Him for what he said. What He simply stated.

[The Thinker]

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[bling]

To spread the gospel, to help our fellow man. To love one another. To do good.

[bling]

This is a good reminder that Christians need a better theology of what heaven is. The popular idea that it's just a disembodied existence in the sky doing nothing has led to all sort of problems.

So what do you want to do in heaven?