Trump commits treason

[Mountain Man]

Actually, that is understandable. I agree with the 'Hillary is the corrupt Warhawk establishment' side, and that the 'establishment' needs a good kicking. Disagree that trump isn't awful in his own way, but then we were never going to agree on everything.

Didn't mean to pick you out, I just get the impression that many are going for the 'not hillary' ticket, opposed to the pro trump one. As you seemed to not fit into that category, I thought I'd ask.

[KingsGambit]

So for those keeping score at home:

Hillary trafficked state secrets on a private, unsecured server that was almost certainly compromised by our enemies, including Russia.
Liberals say, "Nothing to see here."

Trump pokes fun at the fact that Hillary's private, unsecured server was almost certainly compromised by our enemies, including Russia.
Liberals cry, "Treason!"

Seriously, guys?

If this is referring to me posting this thread, this would be inapplicable, because I expressly said earlier in the thread that Hillary was in the wrong in what she did.

[KingsGambit]

If they were successful then they would already have the emails (from before she deleted them and had to hand over the server) and be simply releasing them.

Even assuming Russia did have them, wouldn't it be an additional harm to release them to the public? Russian interests having them would be bad enough. ISIS having access to them on top of that would be even worse.

[seanD]

Even assuming Russia did have them, wouldn't it be an additional harm to release them to the public? Russian interests having them would be bad enough. ISIS having access to them on top of that would be even worse.

Since Hillary was keeping all her emails on a private unprotected server, what makes you think ISIS doesn't have them? Because of Hillary, the whole world that wanted them likely already has them.

[Raphael]

Even assuming Russia did have them, wouldn't it be an additional harm to release them to the public? Russian interests having them would be bad enough. ISIS having access to them on top of that would be even worse.

It's one of those catch 22's. If the emails showed that Clinton should be inside a jail rather than the Whitehouse, is it better for them to be released, or should we prevent others from having them and settle for her being in the Whitehouse

[Mountain Man]

If this is referring to me posting this thread, this would be inapplicable, because I expressly said earlier in the thread that Hillary was in the wrong in what she did.

But dude, you're the one claiming that Trump committed treason.

[Mountain Man]

Even assuming Russia did have them, wouldn't it be an additional harm to release them to the public? Russian interests having them would be bad enough. ISIS having access to them on top of that would be even worse.

Since Hillary was keeping all her emails on a private unprotected server, what makes you think ISIS doesn't have them? Because of Hillary, the whole world that wanted them likely already has them.

Besides, Trump never said he wanted the emails released publicly. If one were to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, it could be inferred that he simply wants them released back into the custody of the US government.

[Starlight]

I've had Kim Dotcom, Ed Snowden and Julian Assange attempt to use similar tactics to try and make our last elections go the way they wanted it to (Dotcom is fighting his extradition from NZ, and was hoping to have his Internet Party win enough votes so that they could have enough clout to grant him immunity .... NZ uses the MMP electoral system, so small parties can have a big stick). So I don't like it when others try do the same regardless of whether or not I like the target

I don't think that complaint has validity. Assange and Snowden had basically zero influence, and were just passionate people talking about international spying. Dotcom is a resident with a very valid interest in not being seized and taken to another country because corrupt multinationals in that country are annoyed by his businesses.

The real sabotage in our elections has been the national party's last-second lies about the labour party. They've developed a habit of coming up with a slander of labour just before the election. In one election they came up with the idea that Phil Goff had lied about whether he'd been briefed, and rushed through an IOA request that produced fake information purporting to prove he'd lied. In another election one of their big Asian donors purgered himself in a signed statement lying about him giving huge amounts of money to the labour party. They keep coming up with last-second pre-election slanders of labour that are effective enough to push them over the top. It's absolutely disgusting. They are the party of horrible lying disgusting corrupt cheaters. It's a pity that the party member who leaked the Cameron Slater dirty politics scandal to try to clean up his party and expel the corruption, didn't succeed.

[Teallaura]

Other than SeanD and MM who clearly think its fine. Bill, K7, Sparko and presumably Mossrose because of the likes thinking it was obviously just a joke.

I had you pegged at being like 80% in agreement with me and KG until you started yelling at me.

I wasn't yelling at you - it seemed to me that you had included me in the accusation. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was yelling

[Christianbookworm]

I wasn't aware that dumb comments counted as treason. I think both Ms. Clinton and Mr. Trump are incompetent/jerks/(insert adjectives for why I don't see them as suitable for being elected President). Can we please have any decent applicants?!

[One Bad Pig]

Besides, Trump never said he wanted the emails released publicly. If one were to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, it could be inferred that he simply wants them released back into the custody of the US government.

That's stretching things rather a lot, IMO. The other emails were released publicly; the fairly obvious inference, to the extent he wasn't being sarcastic, is that they should be released to the public.

[KingsGambit]

But dude, you're the one claiming that Trump committed treason.

Yes, and as I explained earlier, there's a difference between careless actions and intentional actions.

[Teallaura]

It looks more like this was a cleverly set trap into which the liberal medial fell headlong.

Yeah, I doubt that. Kinda a silly one to bother with - right now, I'd leave the Dem convention alone and let it implode with everyone watching.

[Cow Poke]

Yes, and as I explained earlier, there's a difference between careless actions and intentional actions.

An "intentional action" would require that Trump actually thought about what he said before it popped out of his mouth.

[KingsGambit]

An "intentional action" would require that Trump actually thought about what he said before it popped out of his mouth.

True.

The thought of him in charge of the nuclear trigger makes me nervous.