Trump commits treason

[ke7ejx]

I told you that "hattery" is not allowed!

WHERE ELSE DID HIS HEAD GO?!?!

[KingsGambit]

Treason is a legal concept. I don't think you can get to a moral equivalent from what he actually said.

I see the moral equivalent as being that he does not have American security interests in mind, at least compared to personal interests.

I genuinely don't get the rush to defend him. Then again, Trump did say he could shoot somebody in broad daylight and that it wouldn't affect his poll numbers. I think he was right on that one.

[Teallaura]

I don't think Trump was joking. I know it wasn't treason. And no, being unwilling to jump on the treason bandwagon isn't being a partisan hack anymore than being unwilling to jump on the Hillary has seizures bandwagon.

Both. are. stupid.

[Jaecp]

He's always been a master of sarcasm.

Which is kind of a problem. Any statement from Trump, no matter how vile, illegal or whatever, could be dismissed as him being sarcastic or joking.

That's not good when partisan stuff gets introduced :(

[seanD]

I was already thinking of starting a thread on the many Trump-russia links. Russian investment in Trumps businesses, Trump and Putin complementing each other, Russian hackers in the DNC systems, Trump mostly ignoring the party platform except interfering to ensure America wasn't blocking a Russian takeover of Estonia, wanting to pull out of NATO etc... lots of Trump links to Russia, none of which is highly suspicious in its own right, but they've begun to add up.

It's possible that Vlad simply sees Hillary as a war-mongering hawk and Trump as a simpleton and also a noninterventionist and so thinks a Trump presidency will allow Russia to expand militarily in a way that a Clinton presidency won't.

Or, as I suspected, liberal progressives like you have become the new face neoconservatism when it comes to cold war rhetoric and so anything less than a nuclear threat against Putin is interpreted as "Russian linked." Just out of curiosity, what makes you think Russia is intent on expanding militarily, other than meddling in Ukraine, which is a country right on their border?

[Mountain Man]

I was already thinking of starting a thread on the many Trump-russia links. Russian investment in Trumps businesses, Trump and Putin complementing each other, Russian hackers in the DNC systems, Trump mostly ignoring the party platform except interfering to ensure America wasn't blocking a Russian takeover of Estonia, wanting to pull out of NATO etc... lots of Trump links to Russia, none of which is highly suspicious in its own right, but they've begun to add up.

It's possible that Vlad simply sees Hillary as a war-mongering hawk and Trump as a simpleton and also a noninterventionist and so thinks a Trump presidency will allow Russia to expand militarily in a way that a Clinton presidency won't.

You anti-Trumpers are really grasping at straws, aren't you?

[KingsGambit]

I don't think Trump was joking. I know it wasn't treason. And no, being unwilling to jump on the treason bandwagon isn't being a partisan hack anymore than being unwilling to jump on the Hillary has seizures bandwagon.

Both. are. stupid.

Just to clarify, I'm not accusing you of that. I think you've made a fairly strong case that he's legally in the clear, if not morally.

It does bother me that Jaecp gets accused of being "stupid" for not thinking he was joking, even though you and I both think that as well.

[Bill the Cat]

This is just too much for me right now... Out.

[Teallaura]

I see the moral equivalent as being that he does not have American security interests in mind, at least compared to personal interests.

I genuinely don't get the rush to defend him. Then again, Trump did say he could shoot somebody in broad daylight and that it wouldn't affect his poll numbers. I think he was right on that one.

It's the lameness of the accusation - treason? Seriously? Really stupid comment from a candidate, yes; reason to have him executed, NO!

Or had you forgotten treason is a capital offense?

[seanD]

Obvious sarcastic hyperbole to mock the DNC claim that Russia hacked them

Yeah convict Trump on treason over a joke while letting Hillary get away with breaking national security laws and the DNC rigging the nomination

That sounds about right

Especially if this is just a leftwing media deflection, which seems pretty obvious.

[Jaecp]

Just to clarify, I'm not accusing you of that. I think you've made a fairly strong case that he's legally in the clear, if not morally.

It does bother me that Jaecp gets accused of being "stupid" for not thinking he was joking, even though you and I both think that as well.

I've been telling the mods, for years, that atheists get routinely crapped on this forum largely for being members of the out group in a Christian majority website regardless of the content posted :-/

[Teallaura]

Just to clarify, I'm not accusing you of that. I think you've made a fairly strong case that he's legally in the clear, if not morally.

It does bother me that Jaecp gets accused of being "stupid" for not thinking he was joking, even though you and I both think that as well.

No, Jae was accusing me via the broad brush. I think his accusation (partisan hack) is stupid. I find yours (treason) more disturbing but that point seems to be settled. I don't think anyone is stupid - but even genius' have idiotic arguments from time to time.

[Teallaura]

I've been telling the mods, for years, that atheists get routinely crapped on this forum largely for being members of the out group in a Christian majority website regardless of the content posted :-/

You might have a case - but you came in guns blazing so that case doesn't work here.

[KingsGambit]

It's the lameness of the accusation - treason? Seriously? Really stupid comment from a candidate, yes; reason to have him executed, NO!

Or had you forgotten treason is a capital offense?

Like you, I'm also against the death penalty

[Jaecp]

No, Jae was accusing me via the broad brush. I think his accusation (partisan hack) is stupid. I find yours (treason) more disturbing but that point seems to be settled. I don't think anyone is stupid - but even genius' have idiotic arguments from time to time.

Did I miss the part where you defended Trumps statement? You just said you don't think its treason, but it is stupid or whatever. My comment does not apply to you