US Navy to Name Ship after Harvey Milk

[Cow Poke]

Are you aware that this Harvey Milk was described as "a 33-year-old man who both had and axiomatically acted upon a deviant sexual appetite for underage, drug-addicted, runaway boys?"

It's not that he was gay, it's that he was, by all accounts, a sexual predator.

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My apologies - while some sources say this is Harvey Milk, others point out that this is Harry Hay.

[seer]

It is celebrating sexual sin. If they named a ship for someone because they were say, an adulterer, it would be similar.

The USS Ted Kennedy?

[One Bad Pig]

The USS Ted Kennedy?

I'm pretty sure that if someone named a ship after Ted Kennedy, it wouldn't be for his adultery.

[seer]

I'm pretty sure that if someone named a ship after Ted Kennedy, it wouldn't be for his adultery.

Maybe for killing Mary Jo Kopechne? That was quite feat!

[Sparko]

The USS Ted Kennedy?

They wouldn't name it that because he was an adulterer.



The USS Ashley Madison.

[rogue06]

It is celebrating sexual sin. If they named a ship for someone because they were say, an adulterer, it would be similar.

I'm pretty sure there are numerous ships named after an adulterer. It's whether they wore that label proudly.

[seer]

They wouldn't name it that because he was an adulterer.

Maybe because he helped kill millions of unborn babies?

[One Bad Pig]

Maybe because he helped kill millions of unborn babies?

You're reaching. Quit while you're behind.

[KingsGambit]

If having also engaged in adultery automatically undoes the rest of somebody's political career, then David wasn't a successful king.

Having said that, JFK did it. A lot. And never appeared to have any regrets about it.

[Sparko]

If having also engaged in adultery automatically undoes the rest of somebody's political career, then David wasn't a successful king.

Having said that, JFK did it. A lot. And never appeared to have any regrets about it.

yeah that wasn't my point. They didn't name things after JFK because he was an adulterer, but because he was a President.

If they named a ship or something after a person BECAUSE they were an adulterer, or helped promote the adulterer lifestyle (e.g. The USS Ashley Madison) then that would be like naming it after someone because they were a homosexual activist promoting the homosexual lifestyle.

[KingsGambit]

yeah that wasn't my point. They didn't name things after JFK because he was an adulterer, but because he was a President.

If they named a ship or something after a person BECAUSE they were an adulterer, or helped promote the adulterer lifestyle (e.g. The USS Ashley Madison) then that would be like naming it after someone because they were a homosexual activist promoting the homosexual lifestyle.

I don't disagree with it. I don't have any problem naming things after him.

[rogue06]

I don't disagree with it. I don't have any problem naming things after him.

Because he is known for things other than just having affairs. That is not his claim to fame. Same with LBJ who boasted JFK was a rank amateur in bedding women in comparison to him.

[Starlight]

My apologies - while some sources say this is Harvey Milk, others point out that this is Harry Hay.

Yeah I was gonna say that the crazy accusations being spouted against Milk here looked identical to the ones I debunked about Hay in a past thread.

The anti gay hatred is over the top in this thread. Get a grip people.

The guy was a leader in passing civil rights legislation to protect gay people, and he's being honoured for that as part of a series of civil rights activists who are being honoured. Nothing exciting to see here really.

[Starlight]

More like, "No awards should ever be granted for promoting a gay lifestyle."

In this case the award was given for his civil rights leadership and passing civil rights legislation to protect gay people from abuse and discrimination.

However more generally your point is stupid, because we regularly give awards for people for achieving excellence in fields we don't necessarily agree with. I have no problem with a famous Muslim scholar being recognised for their accomplishments, or a famous Christian one getting the same. We put people on stamps, name boats after them etc not because we all agree with everything they did, but because they are a famous person who achieved something different to normal and because there is a significant segment in our society that respects and praises them for it.

Gay people have the right to have their leaders recognised for their contributions every bit as much as the Christians do. The implications of your statements are that society should try to ensure that gay people are never allowed to feel good about themselves as a person, should never be allowed to have anyone like them they can look up to and respect, and should feel nothing but bad about their life and who they are. The direct results of that is huge amounts of depression and suicide among gay people. And we see those negative consequences whenever people set out to oppress, marginalise and persecute minority groups, and that's why it's so important to be affirming and welcoming to minorities of all kinds, and recognise their leaders and heroes, and not try to force them out of existence via social stigma.

[JimL]

Are you aware that this Harvey Milk was described as "a 33-year-old man who both had and axiomatically acted upon a deviant sexual appetite for underage, drug-addicted, runaway boys?"

It's not that he was gay, it's that he was, by all accounts, a sexual predator.

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By all accounts? Mckinley was for all intents and purposes an adult. He left home, supported himself and worked in the theater. He was in the play "Hair". Yes he was 16 according to what i've read, although I can't find a birth date anywhere so that is questionable. In N.Y. at the time the legal age of consent was 17, so who knows for sure. The age has to do with the law, so all I see here is someone who may have broke the law. Innocent until proven guilty anyway. If breaking the law is what upsets you, or sexual immorality, then you might want to question the naming of airports, monuments, ships, etc etc after many of the men of renown that such things have been named in honor of. As for your NAMBLA posting, the guys back is turned, how do you know that is Harvey Milk?