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Joseph of Arimathea Buying Linen On Passover?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso was the actual passover on thursday or friday? because they ate the passover on thursday and Jesus was crucified and died on friday.
According to your quote of:
Exodus 12:16 On the first day you shall have a holy assembly, and another holy assembly on the seventh day; no work at all shall be done on them, except what must be eaten by every person, that alone may be prepared by you.
it seems like only on the first and seventh day are you not to work.
edit: never mind I forgot about the Jewish day being from sundown to sundown.
One resolution to this tension can be found in understanding that two reckonings of time used in Palestine. One was Galilean/Pharisaic measure of time, the other was Judean/Sadduceeic measure of time.
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so if John's timeline is right, then they ate the passover early because Jesus was going to die on passover. but does that mean that the "do not work" edict did not start until Friday at 6pm so Jeoseph could still buy linen legally?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso if John's timeline is right, then they ate the passover early because Jesus was going to die on passover.
but does that mean that the "do not work" edict did not start until Friday at 6pm so Jeoseph could still buy linen legally?
One of the big issues that tends to confuse people is that Jesus died on Preparation Day, but preparation for what? Preparation for Passover, or preparation of the Sabbath. Most Christians think that Jesus likely died on Passover, which would have been that Friday, which would have also been Preparation Day for the Sabbath.
It's all kinda confusing, I know. I'm still trying to make sure I got it all sorted in my head as well. This is the conclusion to the calendar dilemma I mentioned in the post above,
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAs you're no doubt aware, it doesn't have to be an either/or. There are solutions that account for both the Synoptic and Johannine reading. William Lane Craig offers one that I think carries some weight here.
However, I don't know if we can necessarily extrapolate that debate to early Christians.
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Originally posted by psstein View PostI'd have to investigate further into different calendars being used. From what I remember about the Jewish calendar, there was a dispute between the Qumran community and the Temple cult as to whether or not a lunar or a solar calendar should be used. DSS scholars have argued, consequently, that the debate over the calendar led to the creation of the Qumran community.
However, I don't know if we can necessarily extrapolate that debate to early Christians.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThat is true, but I suppose the question would be why? Was he expecting someone to die? Did he know that Jesus was going to be executed on Passover?
Just a conjecture
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Originally posted by Obsidian View Post1. I don't see why buying an item (or even selling an item) would necessarily even count as work.
2. Regardless, the law clearly allowed certain urgent work to be done on the sabbath.
Luke 14:5-6
And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? And they could not answer him again to these things.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo I mean he needed a cloth so he went to someone and asked for it saying he will pay for it after the sabbath. He was given the cloth and he took it and buried Jesus
Just a conjecture
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso if John's timeline is right, then they ate the passover early because Jesus was going to die on passover. but does that mean that the "do not work" edict did not start until Friday at 6pm so Jeoseph could still buy linen legally?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think there has always been an allowance for burial preparation, because they didn't wait 3 or 4 days like we do to bury, and the didn't embalm. They buried as soon as practical, so it was acceptable to make preparation accordingly.
Another thought is that he could have gotten the cloth from a gentile merchant
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Just a couple notes on the German that you wondered about.
Das. is an abbreviation for dasselbe, “the same.” It’s just citing the same reference as the previous one.
Most of the comments are variations on a theme. The principle is based on the fact that people can prepare a meal the previous day to eat on the Sabbath. From that they concluded that you can’t buy anything, but you can go to your customary butcher and say “Give me some meat,” and he can freely give it to you, and put it on your tab without haggling over a price. But measuring is work. You can count eggs, but you can’t weigh meat, or settle on a price. If you want a beer, the bartender can pour you one, but he can’t measure it. So if the glass holds exactly a pint, he can’t fill it all the way.
But he says that only applies to food. There was no evidence at his disposal for other wares.
(Strack or Billerbeck suggests Mark was using an Aramaic source, and mistranslated an Aramaic word that could mean either “bought” or “took.”)
Maybe that’s how Joseph ended up with 75 pounds of spices; he said, “Give me some spices,” (I suppose they could be edible) but he couldn’t say how much it should weigh. He only wanted 10 pounds, but the merchant emptied his storeroom, and put it on Joseph’s tab of course.
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Originally posted by Just Passing Through View PostJust a couple notes on the German that you wondered about.
Das. is an abbreviation for dasselbe, “the same.” It’s just citing the same reference as the previous one.
Most of the comments are variations on a theme. The principle is based on the fact that people can prepare a meal the previous day to eat on the Sabbath. From that they concluded that you can’t buy anything, but you can go to your customary butcher and say “Give me some meat,” and he can freely give it to you, and put it on your tab without haggling over a price. But measuring is work. You can count eggs, but you can’t weigh meat, or settle on a price. If you want a beer, the bartender can pour you one, but he can’t measure it. So if the glass holds exactly a pint, he can’t fill it all the way.
But he says that only applies to food. There was no evidence at his disposal for other wares.
(Strack or Billerbeck suggests Mark was using an Aramaic source, and mistranslated an Aramaic word that could mean either “bought” or “took.”)
Maybe that’s how Joseph ended up with 75 pounds of spices; he said, “Give me some spices,” (I suppose they could be edible) but he couldn’t say how much it should weigh. He only wanted 10 pounds, but the merchant emptied his storeroom, and put it on Joseph’s tab of course.
Well that opens a whole nuther sort of thinking on the subject. Very interesting stuff.
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