Baha'is Bab and Baha'u'llah are in the Qu'ran?

[smaneck]

YOU ARE OFF TOPIC - AGAIN!

WHINER!

GO WHINE AT YOUR LOGICAL BAHA'I TEMPLE OF PLURALISM AND SLICE OF RELIGION DU JOUR!

Oh and incidentally, this entire thread is off-topic for this folder.

[Huguenot]

Oh and incidentally, this entire thread is off-topic for this folder.

Sorry, you're not a Mod here, and I'm not a student in one of your Brainwashing seminars on Islam.

At this point, how can I know that your false prophets are no where to be found in the Qu'ran?

Seal fo the Prophets? last messenger? Last prophet from the god allah?

We will see.

So far we have Siyyad Ali'Mohammad pulling off a feat of speed writing and like witch craft, this was supposed to be a miracle and one expected of the Islamic savior???

Surah of Joseph?

How do the facts compare with the real Joseph of the Bible???

The Qur'ānic Story Of Joseph: Plot, Themes, And Characters

For its sheer readability, the Qur'ānic story of Joseph, told in S. 12, is perhaps unsurpassed in the whole of the Qur'ān. The less than one hundred verses of the narrative[1] telescope many years, present an amazing variety of scenes and characters in a tightly-knit plot, and offer a dramatic illustration of some of the fundamental themes of the Qur'ān. The present article, as the title indicates, is a study of selected aspects of the sūra. The study is mainly literary in character. As such it will not deal with that part of the sūra (the concluding part, chiefly) in which the Qur'ān seeks to apply the story to the Meccan situation of Muhammad's time.[2] I have thus limited the scope of this inquiry in order to bring into relief, with reference to S. 12, a sorely neglected aspect of the Qur'ān, namely, the literary aspect. It is not necessary to reproduce the story in detail or in outline any of the well-known translations of the Qur'ān can be used for purposes of reference. The translation of the Qur'ānic verses cited is my own. [Mustansir Mir]

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...Mirjoseph.html

by Mustansir Mir



Once again Professor you are WRONG!

Hopefully, others can see that the story of Joseph is very, very important in the Qu'ran!

Why?

POP QUIZ:

AS JOSEPH TO BENJAMIN: SO JESUS TO MESSIANIC JEWS?

(Hint: Jesus was of the tribe of Benjamin, but what did the Bab know about Jesus?)

[smaneck]

Sorry, you're not a Mod here,

I take this to mean you are going to stop telling me I'm off topic?

and I'm not a student in one of your Brainwashing seminars on Islam.

Obviously, otherwise you'd know something about the subject.

At this point, how can I know that your false prophets are no where to be found in the Qu'ran?

Since you believe the Qur'an comes from a false prophet, why would you even look there?

We all know you are not seriously interested in investigating matters, so why pretend?

This is how Baha'u'lllah says a *true* seeker behaves:

But, O my brother, when a true seeker determineth to take the step of search in the path leading to the knowledge of the Ancient of Days, he must, before all else, cleanse and purify his heart, which is the seat of the revelation of the inner mysteries of God, from the obscuring dust of all acquired knowledge, and the allusions of the embodiments of satanic fancy. He must purge his breast, which is the sanctuary of the abiding love of the Beloved, of every defilement, and sanctify his soul from all that pertaineth to water and clay, from all shadowy and ephemeral attachments. He must so cleanse his heart that no remnant of either love or hate may linger therein, lest that love blindly incline him to error, or that hate repel him away from the truth. Even as thou dost witness in this 193 day how most of the people, because of such love and hate, are bereft of the immortal Face, have strayed far from the Embodiments of the divine mysteries, and, shepherdless, are roaming through the wilderness of oblivion and error. That seeker must at all times put his trust in God, must renounce the peoples of the earth, detach himself from the world of dust, and cleave unto Him Who is the Lord of Lords. He must never seek to exalt himself above any one, must wash away from the tablet of his heart every trace of pride and vainglory, must cling unto patience and resignation, observe silence, and refrain from idle talk. For the tongue is a smouldering fire, and excess of speech a deadly poison. Material fire consumeth the body, whereas the fire of the tongue devoureth both heart and soul. The force of the former lasteth but for a time, whilst the effects of the latter endure a century.

That seeker should also regard backbiting as grievous error, and keep himself aloof from its dominion, inasmuch as backbiting quencheth the light of the heart, and extinguisheth the life of the soul. He should be content with little, and be freed from all inordinate desire. He should 194 treasure the companionship of those that have renounced the world, and regard avoidance of boastful and worldly people a precious benefit. At the dawn of every day he should commune with God, and with all his soul persevere in the quest of his Beloved. He should consume every wayward thought with the flame of His loving mention, and, with the swiftness of lightning, pass by all else save Him. He should succour the dispossessed, and never withhold his favour from the destitute. He should show kindness to animals, how much more unto his fellow-man, to him who is endowed with the power of utterance. He should not hesitate to offer up his life for his Beloved, nor allow the censure of the people to turn him away from the Truth. He should not wish for others that which he doth not wish for himself, nor promise that which he doth not fulfil. With all his heart should the seeker avoid fellowship with evil doers, and pray for the remission of their sins. He should forgive the sinful, and never despise his low estate, for none knoweth what his own end shall be. How often hath a sinner, at the hour of death, attained to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the celestial Concourse. And how often hath a devout believer, 195 at the hour of his soul's ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire. Our purpose in revealing these convincing and weighty utterances is to impress upon the seeker that he should regard all else beside God as transient, and count all things save Him, Who is the Object of all adoration, as utter nothingness.

These are among the attributes of the exalted, and constitute the hall-mark of the spiritually-minded.

(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 191)

But you wouldn't know anything about the attributes of the 'spiritually-minded.' That's why you can't distinguish between Baha'u'llah and Rev. Moon.

Susan

[mosabdullah]

This is not a point worth arguing but anyway.

The prophet said there will be 73 sects that would form after his death and that only one would enter into heaven. The Sunni form of Islam is the correct one. I am not saying this because I am Sunni.

The problem with all these other sects is that history is clear and they even clearly accept additions to the religion that Allah and the Prophet (pbuh) never performed. The Shia see Ali and the Imans as there intercessor between Allah becuase they are not worthy of asking God directly. The contradicts many things taught by the prophet and in the Quran. Then you have he Sufis who do things that the prophet never ever did or considered doing.

How do you justify this. Then you have people who caim after even during the prophets life that claimed they where prophets. Funny how some of them ended up becoming Muslim.

Baha'ism is completely not Islam. The Quran and the prophet himself said that there will be no Prophet after him until Jesus return at the end of days before Judgement day.

The Fact that people like Shia, Sufis, Baha'is are only minority groups and decreasing in numbers, and history shows the truth shows you that Islam is coming back strong from the west not the middle east. God is in the process of replacing corrupt and lax Muslims with non-Muslims who are becoming Muslims and practising better than Muslims just like he did in the time of Muhammad when people became Muslim to replace the Christians and Jews.

[smaneck]

The Sunni form of Islam is the correct one. I am not saying this because I am Sunni.

Like you would say that if you were a Shi'ite.

The Fact that people like Shia, Sufis, Baha'is are only minority groups and decreasing in numbers

The Baha'i Faith is not decreasing in numbers, it is growing through conversion. Shi'ites are not decreasing either. Their natural increase is greater than that of Sunnis. Only Sufis are decreasing an unfortunate development considering the fact that Sufism was largely responsible for the spread of Islam throughout the world.

[mosabdullah]

Like you would say that if you were a Shi'ite.

I am saying this as I have studied Islam for more than 3 years now. One of the most fascinating topics was this conflict between the various sects that started poping up after the prophet Muhammads (pbuh) death. I recomend that you look into this.

The Baha'i Faith is not decreasing in numbers, it is growing through conversion. Shi'ites are not decreasing either. Their natural increase is greater than that of Sunnis. Only Sufis are decreasing an unfortunate development considering the fact that Sufism was largely responsible for the spread of Islam throughout the world.

Actually what you say about the faiths not decreasing is correct sort of. Due to an increase in Global population most faiths are actually increasing in numbers. However these numbers a neglegible since they are very small. Islam (Sunni/Shia) on the other hand has alread superseded Christianity according to a statment released by the vatican recently. Sunnis alone are numbering about 1 - 1.2 billion today out of the 1.5 - 1.6 billion Muslims. Islam will be 30% of the worlds population by 2025 and half the worlds population by 2050 according to various statistics going around.

So maybe that is why America has a vendetta against Muslims. :(

[smaneck]

Actually what you say about the faiths not decreasing is correct sort of. Due to an increase in Global population most faiths are actually increasing in numbers. However these numbers a neglegible since they are very small.

Were that the case Shi'ites would not outnumber Sunnis in Lebanon today. This was not the case fifty years ago when the state was established.

Islam (Sunni/Shia) on the other hand has alread superseded Christianity according to a statment released by the vatican recently. Sunnis alone are numbering about 1 - 1.2 billion today out of the 1.5 - 1.6 billion Muslims.

Where did you get those figures from? All the population figures I've seen put the number of Muslims at 1.2-1.4 billion.

Christianity is still the largest religion in the world at 2 billion.

In any case, triumphalism is bad theology whether we are talking about Christianity or Islam.

[mosabdullah]

Were that the case Shi'ites would not outnumber Sunnis in Lebanon today. This was not the case fifty years ago when the state was established.

This was 50 years ago. Do you know that the Shia in Lebanon are practising almost like sunni Muslims. I think they are one of the 2 shia sects that are almost like sunni.

Where did you get those figures from? All the population figures I've seen put the number of Muslims at 1.2-1.4 billion.

I've seen ranges from about 1.0 - 1.6 billion. I take closer to the top end because in my country the government numbers the Muslims around the 450,000 mark. Even the thier is about 700,000 - 800,000 which some politicians have said must be corrected to reflect the true number. I guess they don't want people to know that many people are becoming Muslim, since they have really made imigration into the country for Muslims really hard.

Christianity is still the largest religion in the world at 2 billion.

In any case, triumphalism is bad theology whether we are talking about Christianity or Islam.

Ye Christianity as a whole number around 2 billion. But they don't all follow the same creed and don't have the same bibles. So clearly they are seperate religions. This is according to Chrisitians themselves like the catholics

[smaneck]

I take closer to the top end because in my country the government numbers the Muslims around the 450,000 mark.

You live in the US don't you? Our government doesn't keep statistics on religious communities.

I see adherents.com is putting the numbers of Muslims at 1.5 billion now. They are usually fairly accurate, so I'll accept that figure.

http://adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

The number of Zoroastrians seems a bit high but I have heard rumors that a lot of Iranians are converting to Zoroastrianism right now so maybe this accounts for the rise.

Ye Christianity as a whole number around 2 billion. But they don't all follow the same creed and don't have the same bibles. So clearly they are seperate religions.

As I said, differences in Bible are very minimal and don't really effect faith or practice. And nearly all Christians accept the Nicene Creed. So no, unless you are talking about groups like the Mormons, you really can't consider them separate religions unless you are going to consider Sunnis and Shi'ites separate as well.

Besides that, you are ignoring the Prophet's own words that Islam would be *more* divided that Christianity not less.

[smaneck]

. Do you know that the Shia in Lebanon are practising almost like sunni Muslims.[

The Shi'ites of Lebanon are Ithna Ashariyya just like those of Iraq and Iran.

I think they are one of the 2 shia sects that are almost like sunni.

Then maybe the Sunnis in Iraq should stop killing them.

[mosabdullah]

The Shi'ites of Lebanon are Ithna Ashariyya just like those of Iraq and Iran.

Then maybe the Sunnis in Iraq should stop killing them.

Maybe a lot of people shot stop killing each other. It is not for me or you to say what others should do. Personally I don't agree with what is going on there.

Ithna Ashariyya percentages in countries. (90%) , Iraq (65%), Azerbaijan (75%), Lebanon (35%), Kuwait (35%), Turkey (25%), Saudi Arabia (10-15%)[1], Bahrain (80%) and form a large minority in Pakistan (20%) and Afghanistan (18%).

Only 35% in lebanon.

[smaneck]

Only 35% in lebanon.

And Sunnis make up only 25% of the population.

As I'm sure you know, Lebanon was carved out of Greater Syria by the French so that there would be an area where Christians would be in the majority. When the government was formed in 1943 Maroinites Christians made up the largest faction in Lebanon, followed by Sunnis. Shi'ites came in third, were the most impoverished and largely politically apathetic. By the 1970's Shi'ites made up the largest single faction, yet the Christians refused to recarve the political pie and give them a political voice equivalent to new demographics. That's what eventually brought about the Lebanese Civil War. Things were further complicated by the fact that the Shi'ites were located in southern Lebanon where Palestinian camps were also situated. The constant Israeli bombardments of those camps resulted in Shi'ites being bombed as well, which caused them to be radicalized. After 1979 the Iranian revolution provided them with an ideology, hence the Hizbullah.

[Mikhail]

Qu'ran 108

Súrih of Kawthar?

First is it important to understand the brain washing the Shakhis...........

The Shaykhi movement

In the 1790s in Persia, Shaykh Aḥmad (1753-1826) began a religious movement within Shi'a Islam. His followers, who became known as Shaykhis, were expecting the imminent appearance of the Qá'im of the House of Muhammad, also called the Mahdi. After the death of Shaykh Ahmad, leadership was passed on to Sayyid Kázim of Rasht (1793-1843).

Is this Qa'im like the Messiah of Judaism?

[smaneck]

Sort of. Qa'im literally means He Who will Arise. Mahdi means 'rightly guided one." Both Shi'ites and Sunnis expect the coming of the Mahdi but Shi'ites believe he will be the Twelfth Imam who is said to have disappeared in the Muslim year 260 A.H. The Baha'i Faith began in the year 1260 A.H.

[shunyadragon]

There is no mention of Baha'ullah in the Quran as well as the hadith.

Just as there is no Mention of Mohammad in the Bible.