Thread: Science: No Safe Haven
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July 25th 2008, 02:28 PM #1
Science: No Safe Haven
Answering the “New” Atheists—Science: No Safe Haven
Greg Koukl
Infamous New Atheist Christopher Hitchens recently debated Privileged Planet author Jay Wesley Richards at Stanford on the existence of God. In the middle of Richards’s opening remarks, Hitchens cut him off with a pair of questions.
“Do you believe Jesus Christ was born of a virgin?” he interrupted. “Do you believe he was resurrected from the dead?” Richards assented to both. Hitchens shrugged. “I rest my case,” he said dismissively. “This is an honest guy, who has just made it very clear science has nothing to do with his world view.”
It was a remarkable non sequitur from a brilliant man. Precisely what ‘case’ did Hitchens think was vindicated? Richards affirmed belief in supernatural events. But this should not be surprising—or in any way damning, for that matter—since it is part of the package of the theistic world view Richards was defending.
Apparently for Hitchens, anything not proven by science is contrary to science, and if contrary, then irrational. Supernatural events, by definition, cannot be countenanced by a scientific view grounded in naturalism. Therefore, belief in miracles borders on lunacy. QED, Richards is refuted.
I want you to notice two things about Hitchens’s dismissal of Richards. First, in spite of all this atheist’s sermonizing about reason, he was guilty of a sophomoric blunder in reasoning: His own appeal was circular. The very thing at issue in the debate is whether or not such a materialistic view of the universe is sound. By assuming as evidence against Richards’s view the very thing he is obliged to prove in the debate, atheistic materialism, Hitchens showed himself to be the irrational one, not Richards.
Second, notice the impulse to use science as a stick to beat up on theism. So-called “New Atheists” like Hitchens, Dawkins, and Dennett are convinced that science is on their side. They presume that the deliverances of science have somehow inveighed with finality against belief in God. Nothing could be further from the truth.
We learned in the last Solid Ground that, on the contrary, careful observation of and thoughtful reflection on the natural realm indicate that a superior supra-natural intelligence is the best explanation for both the existence of the world and its finely ordered complexity on multiple levels (physics, biology, etc.).
There are three additional reasons why science is no safe harbor for the atheist. First, Hitchens’s implicit scientism is false. Second, the discipline of science in principle is not capable of refuting anything supernatural. Third, the science game, as currently construed, is rigged.
Scientism Commits Suicide
The modern slogan that only science gives us reliable truth about the world is called “scientism.” At first glance, this looks appealing. Many think knowledge begins and ends with the scientific method. Anything else is mere subjective opinion and unsubstantiated belief. However, those who hold this view will be surprised to know it self-destructs. Consider this dialog:
“I don’t believe in religion.”
“Why not?”
“There is no scientific evidence for it.”
“Then you shouldn’t believe in science either.”
“Why not?”
“Because there is no scientific evidence for it.”
This was a terse exchange, so let me expand a bit. I noticed first that the slogan “Only science gives reliable truth” is a statement about truth that also purports to be true, so it includes itself in what it refers to (just like the statement “All English sentences are false” includes itself as an English sentence).
Next, I simply asked, “Can the statement satisfy its own requirement?” I quickly realized it could not. Since there is no scientific evidence proving that science is the only way to know truth, the view self-destructs.
The next time someone dismisses you with the “Only science gives reliable truth” canard, ask if he wants you to take his statement as fact or simply unsubstantiated opinion. If fact, ask what testable scientific evidence led him to his conclusion. As it turns out, this claim is not a fact of science. It is a philosophical assertion about science that itself cannot be proven by the scientific method and would therefore be unreliable, according to this approach.
It gets worse. Scientism commits suicide a second way, so this notion is doubly dead. Imagine you wanted to collect all knowledge in a box. Let’s call it the “Truth Box.” Before any alleged truth could go into the box, it must first pass the scientific truth test (this is the claim of scientism).
The problem is, your knowledge project could never get started because some truths need to be in the Truth Box first before science itself could begin its analysis. The truths of logic and mathematics must be in the box, for example, along with truth of the basic reliability of our senses. Certain moral truths—like “Report all data honestly”—must be in the box. In fact, the entire scientific method must be in the box before the method itself can be used to test the truthfulness of anything else.
None of these truths can be established by the methods of science because science cannot operate in a knowledge vacuum. Certain truths—known through means other than science—must be in place before science can begin its task. Since scientism is inconsistent with the presuppositions that make science possible, scientism as a comprehensive view of knowledge self-destructs a second time. When New Atheists implicitly invoke scientism against theism, they are leaning on a bent reed.
Weighing a Chicken with a Yardstick
Atheists face a second serious problem with science. Let me ask what might seem like an odd question. Can you weigh a chicken with a yardstick? Clearly not. Yardsticks measure length, not weight. Does it follow, then, that chickens weigh nothing? Again, clearly not. Tools meant to measure one attribute tell you nothing about other attributes they have no capability of assessing.
This notion is so elementary it is easy to miss its significance regarding the question of science and the supernatural, so let me state it bluntly. Strictly speaking, science is not capable of ruling out anything, even in principle, about the immaterial realm.
The scientific enterprise, presently construed, is designed to measure physical things, a function it fulfills reasonably well. It is not suited to directly measure nonphysical things. It is a mistake, however, to take this natural limitation of science as evidence against theism. Yet this kind of blunder is made frequently.
For example, a few years ago Time magazine made a stunning announcement. In an extensive article on the mind they wrote, “Despite our every instinct to the contrary, there is one thing that consciousness is not: some entity deep inside the brain that corresponds to the ‘self,’ some kernel of awareness that runs the show.”
According to Time, everything about human consciousness—thoughts, desires, pains, pleasures, motives, emotions—can be explained in purely physical terms. A mother’s love for her children is reduced to c-fibers firing in her brain. The virtue of kindness is nothing more than genetic structure. Our hopes for the future are simply so much chemistry. Brain and body work together as a sophisticated, biological machine with no help from a ghostly, immaterial thing called a soul.
How do they come to this conclusion? “After more than a century of looking for it, brain researchers have long since concluded that there is no conceivable place for such a self to be located in the physical brain, and that it simply doesn’t exist.”
In other words, scientists are convinced an immaterial soul cannot exist first because they can’t find it with scientific instruments, and second because there is no room for it to fit in the brain. That’s like saying you don’t believe in invisible men because you’ve never seen any. Clearly, you can’t measure an immaterial soul with instruments, so the inability of science to find one means nothing. This issue must be resolved by different means.
Though science can help us in many ways, it cannot foreclose on anything—souls, spirits, God(s), salvation, Heaven, Hell—outside its domain for a simple reason: It is not equipped to measure those things. It’s like trying to weigh a chicken with a yardstick. This approach to defeating theism is a dead end.
Science has never advanced empirical evidence to show that supernatural events cannot happen. Instead, it has assumed, prior to the evidence, that the material world is all there is. This illicit intrusion of naturalistic philosophy into the process is central to the third reason science provides no safe harbor for the atheist.
A Stacked Deck
Whenever you hear the complaint, “Creation or intelligent design (ID) is not science,” a subtle sleight of hand is in play. The ruse capitalizes on an ambiguity between two completely different definitions of science.
The first definition is the most well known. Science is a methodology—observation, experimentation, testing, etc.—that allows researchers to discover facts about the world. Any view that does not follow the right methodology is not science. Presumably, this is why evolution succeeds and ID fails.
The second definition of science involves the philosophy of naturalistic materialism. All phenomena must be explained in terms of matter and energy governed by natural law. Any view that does not conform to this second definition is also not science.
There are two requirements, then, for an investigation of the natural world to qualify as “scientific.” First, one must use the right methods. Second, one must come up with the right kind of answers, those consistent with materialism. Usually, these two elements are not in conflict. Good methods produce answers completely consistent with matter in motion governed by natural law. But sometimes they are not compatible.
Evolution, arguably, is a case in point. At first blush, it seems like Darwinism is about scientific facts. But when facts suggest intelligent design, the second definition of science is surreptitiously invoked to label design as “unscientific” regardless of the integrity of the methods used to infer design. Take careful note here: When there is a conflict between methodology and materialism, the philosophy always trumps the facts.
Modern science does not conclude from the evidence that design is not tenable. It assumes it prior to the evidence. Any scientific methodology (first definition of science) that points to a designer of any aspect of the universe is summarily disqualified by scientific philosophy (second definition of science) as “religion disguised as science.”
Douglas Futuyma, author of one of the most widely used college evolutionary biology textbooks, says, “Where science insists on material, mechanistic causes [i.e., materialistic philosophy] that can be understood by physics and chemistry, the literal believer in Genesis invokes unknowable supernatural forces.” [emphasis added]
Those who believe in intelligent design, however, claim that these forces are knowable, at least in principle. Consider this analogy. When a dead body is discovered, an impartial investigation might indicate foul play and not an accident. If the body is bullet-ridden, chances are the death was not a result of natural causes. In the same way, scientific evidence could, in principle, indicate an agent in creation rather than chance. This is not a leap of faith, but a conclusion based on evidence.
Clearly, though, the materialist paradigm is paramount, and everything must be done to save it. Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin is amazingly candid about this fact. In The New York Review of Books, he makes this stunning admission:
Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs...in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. [emphasis in the original!]
Here, Richard Lewontin, distinguished Harvard Genetics Professor, admits that the apparatus of science is not geared to produce the truth, whatever it may be, but rather to produce philosophically acceptable answers. He openly admits the game has been rigged.
Most who hold this prejudice are not so candid. In fact, the majority—confident their convictions rest on scientific fact, not materialist philosophy—are not even aware of any problem. They show their hand, however, with telltale responses like “Creation is not science,” or “ID is religion disguised as science.”
These comments should always trigger questions. “What specifically disqualifies creation as science?” or “Why dismiss the idea of design in spite of the evidence?” Invariably, your probing will reveal the real reason behind the rejection: bias, not fact. Creation of any sort is not the right kind of answer. Whenever you hear the responses above, you know the philosophical ruse is in play.
Can theists be biased? Certainly. Whenever someone takes sides on an issue, it’s always possible she has not been even-handed in her analysis. Not all bias is equal, however. A Christian’s bias does not inform her conclusions the same way a materialist’s bias does.
The physicalist is forced to eliminate certain answers before the game gets started. A theist is not so encumbered. She believes in the laws of nature, but also is open to the possibility of supernatural agency. Both are consistent with her worldview. She can judge the evidence on its own merits, not hindered by a philosophy that automatically eliminates supernatural options before the evidence receives a hearing.
Ironically, the Christian’s bias broadens her categories making her more open-minded, not less. She has a greater chance of discovering truth, because she can follow the evidence wherever it leads.
God of the Gaps?
Critics are quick to object at this point. “This attempt to remove the philosophic restraints on science commits the ‘God of the gaps’ fallacy. Just because science hasn’t solved some of the problems doesn’t mean it never will. There is no need to punt to superstition. A rational (i.e., naturalistic) answer is always available. Using God to arbitrarily plug holes that science has yet to fill is a misguided strategy.”
Here’s my response. First, this is yet another circular tactic. The critic’s complete confidence in his own “science of the gaps” is dictated by the assumption that the universe runs on materialist principles, so every event must have a naturalistic explanation, whether science has discovered it yet or not. But the legitimacy of materialism is the very thing at stake in the discussion between theists and atheists, so implicitly invoking it against theists is not helpful.
Why assume there is a gap in our knowledge simply because there are no answers consistent with materialism? It’s possible that some breaches remain because we’ve been slavishly looking for answers in the wrong places.
Second, careful appeals to a supra-natural agent (God) are not based on what we don’t know, but on what we do know. They are not arbitrary leaps of faith fueled by ignorance. Design can be detected empirically. If the evidence is good, the gap has been filled with a real answer based on good reasons. Just because the solution is not the right kind of answer (a naturalistic one) doesn’t mean it’s not the right answer.
Third, sometimes the very nature of the problem makes a naturalistic explanation wildly counterintuitive. It may be theoretically possible that a man with five bullet holes in his chest died from natural causes, but is it reasonable to hold out for a naturalistic solution when evidence for agency is so decisive? What really matters is the data on hand, not facts that might be forthcoming—existing evidence, not future fantasies.
In the final analysis, science provides no safe haven for the atheist. No legitimate deliverances of science in any way compromises theism. First, the idea that science is the only reliable discipline to give us knowledge about the world is false. Second, science cannot, even in principle, foreclose on the possibility of religious truth, supernatural events, or nonphysical persons like God. Third, the dirty little secret is that the game of science has been rigged to produce materialistic answers regardless of the evidence to the contrary.Last edited by Jnthn; August 7th 2008 at 02:03 PM. Reason: Repaginated for clarity
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August 7th 2008, 12:59 PM #2
Re: Science: No Safe Haven
Who's slogan is that?I noticed first that the slogan “Only science gives reliable truth” is a statement about truth that also purports to be true, so it includes itself in what it refers to (just like the statement “All English sentences are false” includes itself as an English sentence).
A better slogan is - science is the most reliable source of human knowledge. Now, this begs a definition for human knowledge. I would define it as that which allows us to better predict how the universe behaves. The idea is to use that knowledge to our advantage in our pursuit of a better life.
Given that definition, do you agree that science is useful? And do you have any alternative method for gaining such knowledge?
Correct. Science cannot rule out any manner of human claims about the existence, behavior or character of any alleged "immaterial realm". (The term itself makes no logical sense, but we can save that for another thread.)Strictly speaking, science is not capable of ruling out anything, even in principle, about the immaterial realm.
1. It is, however, the best tool we have for identifying downright false claims, trickery, deceit and simple human error, with regard to alleged manifestations of said "immaterial realm".
2. Unless, of course, you're able to propose a more reliable method.
3. Or, unless your argument is that we have no need to try to identify false claims about
"immaterial realms".
4. Or, unless your argument is that there is no reliable way to identify false claims about "immaterial realms".
Pick a position - 1, 2, 3 or 4, so we know where you stand.
In what principle?Those who believe in intelligent design, however, claim that these forces are knowable, at least in principle.
The analogy fails, as it supports my position, not yours. It conflates the term "natural causes" as used by a coroner in a death investigation with "natural causes" as used by a theist when describing events in the world. In the latter, even the murder is a natural occurrence, and so it is within the realm of scientific discovery. However, if someone suggests, during this investigation, that the death was a result of supernatural causes (i.e., a warlock caused the victim to die by incanting a spell), we are back to your original comment that there is no way to disprove such a suggestion unless there is evidence that it was not a supernatural cause. Therefore, the investigation must continue until a natural cause is identified, or the case will be closed as "unsolved". If you're suggesting that we can know somehow, "in principle" that the warlock's spell might have actually killed the victim, I would say that's nonsense.Consider this analogy. When a dead body is discovered, an impartial investigation might indicate foul play and not an accident. If the body is bullet-ridden, chances are the death was not a result of natural causes. In the same way, scientific evidence could, in principle, indicate an agent in creation rather than chance. This is not a leap of faith, but a conclusion based on evidence.
As stunning as it seems, the professor is dead right. Let's take this situation:Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin is amazingly candid about this fact. In The New York Review of Books, he makes this stunning admission:
A scientific experiment is set up to determine if praying to Vishnu can cause one to roll more tails than heads in a series of dice rolls. Under scientifically controlled conditions, candidates are asked to pray to Vishnu, granting them "tails" instead of heads on each roll.
Let's hypothesize that the results are, to everyone's surprise, statistically significant - that tails is coming up more often than heads, and that this experiment is repeated and corroborated by other laboratories.
In your opinion, what can scientists conclude from this?
On the contrary. Over the years science has saved us atheists from all manner of absurd truth-claims. We're still barraged with them, but that's how humans are.In the final analysis, science provides no safe haven for the atheist.
Of course not. You can believe anything you want, even if it conflicts with science. That's the beauty of theism. And it's biggest weakness.No legitimate deliverances of science in any way compromises theism.
OK. So what is another reliable discipline to give us knowledge about the world?First, the idea that science is the only reliable discipline to give us knowledge about the world is false.
See my comment to "No legitimate deliverances of science in any compromises theism."Second, science cannot, even in principle, foreclose on the possibility of religious truth, supernatural events, or nonphysical persons like God.
This comment rides on one's definition of evidence. We can go there next, if you like.Third, the dirty little secret is that the game of science has been rigged to produce materialistic answers regardless of the evidence to the contrary.Soundsurfr
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December 22nd 2008, 08:45 AM #3
Re: Science: No Safe Haven
Clearly not. Yardsticks measure length, not weight. Does it follow, then, that chickens weigh nothing? Again, clearly not. Tools meant to measure one attribute tell you nothing about other attributes they have no capability of assessing.This article encourages that science cannot be used to measure the immaterial because their dimensional realms do not overlap but yet claims that the immaterial can be used to measure science.But when facts suggest intelligent design, the second definition of science is surreptitiously invoked to label design as “unscientific” regardless of the integrity of the methods used to infer design. Take careful note here: When there is a conflict between methodology and materialism, the philosophy always trumps the facts.
I wish to warn fellow religious Jews the fallacy of this argument. Because this is the same argument that will get religion into trouble. This is the same argument that persuades the "Ten Commandments" be placed in government buildings but then is reluctant to accept from Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims or Pagans request the same for their respective sriptures.
We cannot allow science to contaminate religion by attempting to contaminate science with religion. We cannot disguise a religion called Intelligent Design and place in the science text books of our school children. Their dimensions do not overlap.
Intelligent Design should be placed in the religious text books which lies in the domain of each respective religion. But that worries the Christian religionists because it precludes the Christian message from reaching the insular religious schools of Hindus, Muslims, Jews and Buddhists.לֹא אירא רע כי אתה עמדי
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December 22nd 2008, 09:39 AM #4
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What will I.D., if accepted, tell people is the God, by name ? Nothing. Why ? No information, one way or another or another or another, etc.! What can it say about the Creator's nature ? Only that it/"he" is like a person who thinks and willfully acts. Hey, it can't say anything of the God's moral character either.
You are Jewish. Are you a Jew practising your race's religion ? Never mind. The "message" you want to warn people about; that Intelligent Design would reach into the schools of Islam and Judaism with, is one that they already believe in: an intelligent designer who is a personal God created the universe. So, will you tell me why that's offensive for those two of the major world religions for having got that message; and keep in mind this affirmation only as far as it is able to reach in ?
How tiresome this controversy is. A God who is like a person and not an impersonal creative force. Scary ! I seriously doubt that you are concerned that Hindus would be effected negatively by the notion of a creator God. They would only deny that the ultimate God is personal in nature. I don't think I.D.'s farthest reach of what's so will be intruding as false anytime soon (ever!) into Chinese Buddhists' public thought; neither will it find it's way--get into, Indian schools.....to wrongly impose and effect the sensibilities of those country's impressionable children/students.
In my opinion, the single most telling piece of evidence that shows how poorly we're manifesting our call to care for animals is the recent creation of factory farms. Over the last century we have, to a large degree, reduced farm animals to commercialized commodities whose only value is found in how efficiently we can produce and slaughter them for profit. Consequently, more than 26 billion animals each year are forced to live in miserable, overcrowded warehouses, where there is absolutely nothing natural about their existence and where they are subjected to barbaric, painful, industrial procedures.
This is a far cry from what God meant when he told us to exercise "dominion." (Pastor Greg Boyd.)
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December 23rd 2008, 09:43 PM #5
Re: Science: No Safe Haven
A creation scenario that Intelligent Design can not rule out (even if "it wanted to"): more than just one personal kind of God beings; them working together to get it done. Neither can ID ask of anybody that these must be in any way intimately and/or mystically united, except as a cooperative team doing design and construction. Even Zoroastrians, with their two Gods working at cross purposes; they could get on board, unoffended by this notion as true that the universe was created by a super intelligent and supremely powerful being who is like a person and not a force. (To be clear, an impersonal force would need to be called something other than "God.")
Really now, how distressing is the reach of ID's message ? See, it can't reach in very far.Last edited by gharfish; December 23rd 2008 at 09:50 PM.
In my opinion, the single most telling piece of evidence that shows how poorly we're manifesting our call to care for animals is the recent creation of factory farms. Over the last century we have, to a large degree, reduced farm animals to commercialized commodities whose only value is found in how efficiently we can produce and slaughter them for profit. Consequently, more than 26 billion animals each year are forced to live in miserable, overcrowded warehouses, where there is absolutely nothing natural about their existence and where they are subjected to barbaric, painful, industrial procedures.
This is a far cry from what God meant when he told us to exercise "dominion." (Pastor Greg Boyd.)
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January 25th 2009, 06:51 PM #6
Re: Science: No Safe Haven
It seems that both sides have a tendendcy to reify and the deify science. There are a great many sciences, some with very different procedures. Scientists and philosophers have expended enourmous effort trying to distinguish science from everything else and without noticible success. While certain cases are obvious as quantum mechanics is and reading chicken entrails is not science. But what about sociology, paleoanthropology, or psychology, not to mention the plethora of subfields within? Most recent people who have studied the subject in depth have concluded that you can't precisely delineate science from other activities in a plausible way in less then a few pages of text. Science is what Wittgenstein called an open concept. Then there is the difference between scientists. %20 of the people with the credentials are flat incompetent. Most of the rest are on a continuim between semi-competent and fairly good. Probably less then %10 are really good. Carl S
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