QURAN: Sent and Saved by Allah : Verily, it is We Who have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We are its Guardians. [ 15:10 ]

[Bowman]

Prove it.

القرءان= “alqur-ana”

“alqur-ana” definition:

Proper noun. Originally meaning the Collection; “I collected together the thing” or “I read, or recited, the book or scripture”; and then conventionally applied to signify the Book of God that was revealed to Muhammad; it also signifies the Revelation, meaning that which is termed the mighty, or imitable which is read, or recited, and written in books or volumes. A name for the Book of God, like the book of the Law revealed to Moses and the Gospel.

قرءانis so called because it has collected the histories of the prophets, and commands and prohibitions, and promises and threats, and the verses or signs, and the chapters.

It comes from the root “qara’a”, which has the primary signification he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it, together; part to part, or portion to portion. He read, or recited, the scripture chanting; he read or recited anything in any manner, without, or from, or in a book.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume seven, pp. 2502 - 2504
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 448 - 449



The classic Arabic definition is really quite revealing.

We have the following proclaimed regarding the original meaning applied to the Koran:

• It’s a collection
• A collection of books or scriptures

Whether this collection is read or recited, it still suggests that it emanates from a collected repository of things already written down.

It was only later that the meaning changed to signify the Book of God that was revealed to “Muhammad”…and we already understand that the “Muhammad” spoken of in the Koran is actually the Biblical Jesus Christ.

Thus, the Koran is Jesus’ book!

This would account for the scores of suras that are titled after Him, and revolve around Him.

“Alqur-ana” also means Revelation – which is most appropriate, as >50% of the Koran is directly copied from the Book of Revelation.

The root “qara’a” takes us one step deeper with the primary definition “he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it, together; part to part, or portion to portion.

This gives us great insight as to why the Koran was written in the fashion that it was – as the authors who pieced it together and performed the translation, actually did so piecemeal. These pieces, taken in large part from the Book of Revelation, are actually the paraphrased Arabic counterparts to the Holy Bible, known as suras.

[barnasha]

Jinn are not fallen angels.


The authors of the Koran repeatedly state that they copied the Holy Bible.
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There is only one author of the Qur'an and nowhere does it say it copied the Bible.[/QUOTE]

If it was different from the bible, he would criticize it for being incorrect. But since it's not, he criticizes it for copying. right.......

"If it [the Quran] had been from someone other than God, they would have found much contradiction in it." -Quran

[Bowman]

There is only one author of the Qur'an and nowhere does it say it copied the Bible.

The very definition of the Arabic term 'alquran' plainly tells us that it copied the Holy Bible.

Stop ignoring truth.

If it was different from the bible, he would criticize it for being incorrect. But since it's not, he criticizes it for copying. right.......

The Koran is different from the Holy Bible in that the Koran never claims to be divinely inspired.

"If it [the Quran] had been from someone other than God, they would have found much contradiction in it." -Quran

You can't even quote the book you are trying to defend, correctly.

Please show us the term "Quran" in the Arabic.....or..better yet...explain why you had to copy from people who had to artificially insert the word 'Quran' in parenthesis because the term simply does not appear in the text.

Abbrogation.

[smaneck]

It comes from the root “qara’a”, which has the primary signification he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it, together; part to part, or portion to portion. He read, or recited, the scripture chanting; he read or recited anything in any manner, without, or from, or in a book.

Either you are being deliberately deceptive or you really don't know what you are talking about. The root word qara 'a means "to recite" not "to collect."

[barnasha]

There is a hadith (account, report) of the prophet Muhammad saying something like, "the burden of the [revelation of the] qur'an was made light on David". (Psalms)

[Bowman]

Either you are being deliberately deceptive or you really don't know what you are talking about. The root word qara 'a means "to recite" not "to collect."

Show us a classic Arabic reference for your assertion.

[smaneck]

Show us a classic Arabic reference for your assertion.

You don't need a classical Arabic reference you just need a simple Arabic dictionary. This one will do:

http://www.arabicenglishdictionary.org/

The root word is qaf, ra, and hamza.

[smaneck]

The very definition of the Arabic term 'alquran' plainly tells us that it copied the Holy Bible.

LOL. Only to someone who misread the "Recitation" as the collection.

The Koran is different from the Holy Bible in that the Koran never claims to be divinely inspired.

No, it claims to be revealed. Or did you miss that long list of passages I posted elsewhere?

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Please show us the term "Quran" in the Arabic

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I already showed you numerous passages and the Qur'an was not in parenthesis in those.

[Bowman]

You don't need a classical Arabic reference you just need a simple Arabic dictionary. This one will do:

http://www.arabicenglishdictionary.org/

The root word is qaf, ra, and hamza.

You don't read extinct Koranic Arabic with a modern Arabic dictionary!

Show some respect.

[Bowman]

LOL. Only to someone who misread the "Recitation" as the collection.

The classic definition states otherwise, sister.

No, it claims to be revealed. Or did you miss that long list of passages I posted elsewhere?

Not in the Arabic.

However, you don't know any Arabic.

I already showed you numerous passages and the Qur'an was not in parenthesis in those.

No...you did not.

[smaneck]

You don't read extinct Koranic Arabic with a modern Arabic dictionary!

Show some respect.

I have news for you, Qur'anic Arabic is not extinct. In fact Modern Standard Arabic, which Arabs use when they write is based on it. When they speak it is in different dialects which Arabs from different countries may not even understand. It is the Qur'an and the Qur'an alone which kept Arabic from splitting off into many separate languages. You would know this if you actually knew Arabic. You would also know that in order to look up a word in Arabic you need to know the root word and meaning of the root does not change whether we are talking about Qur'anic or Modern Arabic.

[smaneck]

The classic definition states otherwise, sister.

Funny, you keep asking me for a classic source yet you failed to provide one yourself.

No...you did not.

<sigh> Here, once again, are all the passages that refer to the Qur'an as revelation:

. A revelation from the merciful, the compassionate; a book whose signs are detailed; an Arabic Koran for a people who do know; a herald of glad tidings and a warning.

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 41 )

185 The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'án, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong).

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 2 - The Cow)

82 Will they not then ponder on the Qur'án ? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 4 - Women)

101 O ye who believe! Ask not of things which, if they were made unto you, would trouble you; but if ye ask of them when the Qur'án is being revealed, they will be made known unto you. Allah pardoneth this, for Allah is Forgiving, Clement.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 5 - The Food)

Say: Allah is Witness between me and you. And this Qur'án hath been inspired in me, that I may warn therewith you and whomsoever it may reach.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 6 - The Cattle)

[Oh, look it says inspired!]

2. We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'án, in order that ye may learn wisdom.

3. We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that We reveal to thee this (portion of the) Qur'án: before this, thou too wast among those who knew it not.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 12)

1. Alif Lam Ra. These are the Ayats of Revelation -- of a Qur'án that makes things clear.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 15)

82 And We reveal of the Qur'án that which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the evil-doers in naught save ruin.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 17 - The Israelites)

Thus have we revealed an Arabic Koran, that thou mayest warn the Mother of cities and all around it; and warn them of a day of gathering, there is no doubt therein;-a part in Paradise and a part in the blaze.

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 42 - Counsel)



Care to call me a liar again?

[Bowman]

I have news for you, Qur'anic Arabic is not extinct. In fact Modern Standard Arabic, which Arabs use when they write is based on it. When they speak it is in different dialects which Arabs from different countries may not even understand. It is the Qur'an and the Qur'an alone which kept Arabic from splitting off into many separate languages. You would know this if you actually knew Arabic. You would also know that in order to look up a word in Arabic you need to know the root word and meaning of the root does not change whether we are talking about Qur'anic or Modern Arabic.

You just admitted that Koranic Arabic is extinct by calling what we have today as 'Modern', sister.

If Arabic had never changed then there would be no need to say anything other than 'Arabic'.

[Bowman]

Funny, you keep asking me for a classic source yet you failed to provide one yourself.

Post #91, sister.

The classic definition was given to you.

You ignored it.

Completely.

How many times are you going to keep pretending...?

<sigh> Here, once again, are all the passages that refer to the Qur'an as revelation:

. A revelation from the merciful, the compassionate; a book whose signs are detailed; an Arabic Koran for a people who do know; a herald of glad tidings and a warning.

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 41 )

185 The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'án, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong).

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 2 - The Cow)

82 Will they not then ponder on the Qur'án ? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 4 - Women)

101 O ye who believe! Ask not of things which, if they were made unto you, would trouble you; but if ye ask of them when the Qur'án is being revealed, they will be made known unto you. Allah pardoneth this, for Allah is Forgiving, Clement.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 5 - The Food)

Say: Allah is Witness between me and you. And this Qur'án hath been inspired in me, that I may warn therewith you and whomsoever it may reach.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 6 - The Cattle)

[Oh, look it says inspired!]

2. We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'án, in order that ye may learn wisdom.

3. We do relate unto thee the most beautiful of stories, in that We reveal to thee this (portion of the) Qur'án: before this, thou too wast among those who knew it not.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 12)

1. Alif Lam Ra. These are the Ayats of Revelation -- of a Qur'án that makes things clear.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 15)

82 And We reveal of the Qur'án that which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the evil-doers in naught save ruin.

(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura 17 - The Israelites)

Thus have we revealed an Arabic Koran, that thou mayest warn the Mother of cities and all around it; and warn them of a day of gathering, there is no doubt therein;-a part in Paradise and a part in the blaze.

(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 42 - Counsel)



Care to call me a liar again?

Now...you keep moving the goal-posts.....is it 'revelation' or is it 'divinely inspired'?

Do you even know...?

[smaneck]

You just admitted that Koranic Arabic is extinct by calling what we have today as 'Modern', sister.

If Arabic had never changed then there would be no need to say anything other than 'Arabic'.

<sigh> Modern Standard Arabic was developed in Egypt in the latter part of the 19th century and as I indicated it is based on Qur'anic Arabic just as modern Hebrew is based on Biblical Hebrew. It is not something which evolved over time.

Yes, Arabic changed. There are many dialects of Arabic which are not necessarily mutually understandable. MSA was developed out of Qur'anic Arabic so that all Arabs *could* communicate.