YHWH Allah

[Garry Denke]

What is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic name of the Creator?

The Holy Bible-Qur'an names YHWH Allah.

YHWH Allah = LORD God?

[smaneck]

What is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic name of the Creator?

The Holy Bible-Qur'an names YHWH Allah.

YHWH Allah = LORD God?

There are lots of names for God in the Bible. Besides the tetragram, the most popular name is Elohim. Allah is a direct cognate to that name.

Incidentally, YHWH appears nowhere in the New Testament either, so if you are going to reject the Qur'an on this basis you should reject the New Testament as well.

[Sparko]

YHWH does not mean "Lord"

It means more closely "I am that I am"

[smaneck]

YHWH does not mean "Lord"

It means more closely "I am that I am"

True, but since that word was considered to sacred to pronounce it was usually replaced with Adonai which means Lord but was usually spelled with full caps as LORD to signify that it was replacing the tetragram.

warmest, Susan

[Sparko]

True, but since that word was considered to sacred to pronounce it was usually replaced with Adonai which means Lord but was usually spelled with full caps as LORD to signify that it was replacing the tetragram.

warmest, Susan

true. I was just worried that Garry was confused since he seems to think "allah" means God and YHWH means LORD, at least that is what it looked like when he said:

YHWH Allah = LORD God?

[Garry Denke]

So does ancient YHWH Allah render modern LORD God?

YHWH renders LORD, Allah renders God.

LORD God = YHWH Allah?

[smaneck]

No offense, Garry, but you aren't making much sense.

[Sparko]

No offense, Garry, but you aren't making much sense.

see? he is saying exactly what I thought he was. he thinks YHWH means "Lord" and Allah means "God"

[smaneck]

see? he is saying exactly what I thought he was. he thinks YHWH means "Lord" and Allah means "God"

Well. apparently he still thinks this even after we've explained it in depth.

[Garry Denke]

YHWH = Written Tradition
Allāh = Oral Tradition

I AM الله

[Jnthn]

YHWH = Written Tradition
Allāh = Oral Tradition

I AM الله

You are still not making sense, Garry. Please write using prose, not bullet points or you will alienate potential respondents.

J

[Johnny MacManky]

So does ancient YHWH Allah render modern LORD God?

YHWH renders LORD, Allah renders God.

LORD God = YHWH Allah?

Garry, categorically no.

I researched this same question some time ago.

Linguistically there is no relationship between the words "allah" and "elohim" - or even with "eloah" - so said the experts. Of course, I still attempted to dispute this with the experts, despite the fact that I could barely recognise a letter of Hebrew and know no Arabic. . . and I know nothing about linguistics.

[smaneck]

Garry, categorically no.

I researched this same question some time ago.

Linguistically there is no relationship between the words "allah" and "elohim" - or even with "eloah" - so said the experts. Of course, I still attempted to dispute this with the experts, despite the fact that I could barely recognise a letter of Hebrew and know no Arabic. . . and I know nothing about linguistics.

Not the experts I've know, which are academic ones. Evangelicals often have weird notions as to what constitutes an expert and have gone out of their way to try and disprove the relationship between Allah and El, Eloah, and Elohim. Here is a decent and unbiased article on this subject:

http://www.plim.org/1Allah.html

[Sparko]

from what I recall, the arabic word for God is Allahah or something similar and Allah, is kind of a shortened form made into a personal name.

[Johnny MacManky]

Not the experts I've know, which are academic ones. Evangelicals often have weird notions as to what constitutes an expert and have gone out of their way to try and disprove the relationship between Allah and El, Eloah, and Elohim. Here is a decent and unbiased article on this subject:

http://www.plim.org/1Allah.html

Thanks, I'll check that out. (Psst, don't let on, but I rarely seek out biased experts who would be expected to support a point.) I do concede I put credibility on the words of Maulana Muhammad 'Ali who said: "Allah is . . . not a contraction of al-ilah (the god). . . . The word God in the English language is not a substitute for Allah." (p51, Introduction to the study of The Holy Qur'an. Columbus, Ohio. 1992.)

:johnny: