YHWH Allah

[kittycat]

Allah used to be called by another name, Ar-Rahman. No, it's not the same name with a different twist upon it. It's something that Muhammad came up with later. He renamed his false deity.

Yahweh has always had his name, period. It does not mean "The Lord." The Lord means The Baal, translated. Yahweh is not Baal.

Yahweh only has one name, to which his son, Yahushua (aka Jesus) the messiah inherited.

Heb 1:4 (he; Yahushua) having become so much better than the angels, He has inherited a name more excellent than they.

It's now THEIR name. Hence why when Yahushua returns, the city of Jerusalem will be called, Yahweh, our righteousness.

Jer 33:16 In those days Judah shall be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell in safety. And this is the name that shall be called on her: Yahweh, our righteousness.

Yahushua, his earthly prophetic name, inherited his family name, Yahweh!

Kitty

[smaneck]

There is only one (1) name for the creator, and he says it himself, which is Yahweh. He never ever says "my names," only "my name," and it does not mean "The Lord." The Baal actually means The Lord. The words eloahim, eloah, eli, el, eloahi, they are all generic names, which is the generic deity class. For example, they are eloah beings.

Allah, on the other hand, is from pagan, honestly. A pagan moon deity, I think, but yet they'll tell you it's not. I think that they used to use a different name. I'll get it for you. Maybe take me a minute.

Kitty

The idea of Allah being a pagan moon deity seems to be a common Evangelical anti-Islamic myth. But I'm curious about your assertion that Yahweh is the only name for God. So does that make Jesus a pagan because He referred to Him as El instead? What about the New Testament? Would you reject it because it never calls God by His Name?

[Garry Denke]

Moses says YHWH Allah is the Creator.

Jesus says YHWH Allah is the Creator.

Muhammad says YHWH Allah is the Creator.

[Garry Denke]

الفاتحة

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمد لله رب العالمين
الرحمن الرحيم
ملك يوم الدين
اياك نعبد واياك نستعين
اهدنا الصرط المستقيم
صراط الذين انعمت عليهم غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين


The Opening

1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful:
2. All praise be to YHWH Allah, the Creator of the Worlds.
3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgement.
5. You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help.
6. Guide us to the straight way;
7. The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray.

[Sparko]

so Gary are you going to interact with the other people in this thread or just keep ignoring them and posting your diatribe?

Because if you are just here to post your own stuff and not interact, then you probably should use your blog instead of a public thread.

[kittycat]

The idea of Allah being a pagan moon deity seems to be a common Evangelical anti-Islamic myth. But I'm curious about your assertion that Yahweh is the only name for God. So does that make Jesus a pagan because He referred to Him as El instead? What about the New Testament? Would you reject it because it never calls God by His Name?

Hi, Smaneck:

I'm not an Evangelical, and I do not hate the people by any means. Yet I do not care for false religions, period.

So enough of that.

But you mention the name Jesus, who I call Yahushua. Why do you think Jesus is a pagan name? It's not. It's an English name which is derived from the Aramaic short form Yeshua. It means "he saves."

However, ancient testimony says that his name was the same as Joshua (Yahushua) son of Nun and also had the same name as the high priest Yahushua, the son of Yahuzadak. Eusebius says his name was Iao soteria, "Yahu saves." So this is why I respectfully call him Yahushua.

Next, the generic name el is not pagan, nor is eloahim, eloahi, eli, etc. But some groups were pagan and borrowed these generic terms. Yahweh had them first, not the other way around.

Now, people really do misunderstand this. The NT did have the sacred name Yahweh in it. We have evidence of this, but the work is not out yet. However, anyone can figure this out on their own. Well, also pre-Christian copies of the LXX had the name Yahweh and some fragments have been found that it's all Greek but the name Yahweh is written in gold lettering in paleo-Hebrew. How about that? Those scribes were surely busy, or as it says in Jeremiah, "the lying pens of the scribes.".

Anyway, you have references in the Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud, both of them, that the rabbis were discussing which method to use to destroy the writings of the NT books because they contained the actual name Yahweh in them.

Also, what did Yahushua (Jesus) quote from? What did Saul (Paul) quote from, the Bereans? They all had the books of the OT, which did contain the sacred name Yahweh in them. Then you have Shem Tob Hebrew Gospel of Matthew which contains the circumlocution in it, "hey," which is what the Jewish religious leaders used many times to show that's where the name Yahweh stood. That's because of their superstition and their made-up ineffable name doctrine.

You also have the Hebrew Book of Hebrews, which I have a copy of. This is a copy that Sebastian Munster received from some Jewish Christians, along with the book of Matthew. My first copy was written in interlinear form with Hebrew-Aramaic and translated with Latin on one side. This was what Sebastian Munster did, he did the interlinear.

However, I have a new one that someone has translated and it's still in interlinear form with the Hebrew-Aramaic and English translation on one side. It has the name Yahweh in it and the messiah's name is Yahushua.


Kitty

[Garry Denke]

Gabriel says YHWH Allah is the Creator,
same recited to Muhammad.
Love and blessings,
YHWH Allah

[Sparko]

Garry, if you are just going to keep posting without interaction I will have this thread moved to the Psycho Ward with your other threads.

[smaneck]

[QUOTE=Garry Denke;2409666]الفاتحة

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمد لله رب العالمين
الرحمن الرحيم
ملك يوم الدين
اياك نعبد واياك نستعين
اهدنا الصرط المستقيم
صراط الذين انعمت عليهم غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين


The Opening

1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful:
2. All praise be to YHWH Allah, the Creator of the Worlds.

Dear Garry,

I'm afrald you've mistranslated this second line. Transliterated it reads:

Al-hamdu-li-Llahi Rabbi-l-`alamin

Literally that means: All Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.

As you'll see in the transliteration there is no mention of Yahweh in that phrase. And Rabb means Lord not Creator.

warmest, Susan

[smaneck]

Hi, Smaneck:

I'm not an Evangelical, and I do not hate the people by any means. Yet I do not care for false religions, period.

Dear Kitty,

Then where did you get this nonsense about Allah being a pagan moon diety. I'm a professor of Middle East History and the only place where I have heard this is on anti-Islamic evangelical websites.

Why do you think Jesus is a pagan name?

I didn't say anything about Jesus being a pagan name. I said the word Yahweh does not appear anywhere in the New Testament. Jesus addresses God as "El" there.

It's not. It's an English name which is derived from the Aramaic short form Yeshua. It means "he saves."
However, ancient testimony says that his name was the same as Joshua

Yes, I know that I was not talking about Jesus' name. I was talking about what *God* is called in the NT.

Next, the generic name el is not pagan, nor is eloahim, eloahi, eli, etc. But some groups were pagan and borrowed these generic terms. Yahweh had them first, not the other way around.

Okay, fine. That is where Allah came from.

The NT did have the sacred name Yahweh in it. We have evidence of this, but the work is not out yet.

Are you saying that you agree with the Muslims that the NT has been corrupted?

warmest, Susan

[Ibn Abu Talib]

Allah, on the other hand, is from pagan, honestly. A pagan moon deity, I think, but yet they'll tell you it's not. I think that they used to use a different name. I'll get it for you. Maybe take me a minute.

kittycat, you are sadly mistaken. This is what Gordon D. Newby writes about Allah in his "A Concise Encyclopedia of Islam": The Arabic name for God. The name Allah was known in pre-islamic Arabia as the head of the pantheon among polytheists and as the name for God among Arabic speaking Christians and Jews.

Yahweh has always had his name, period. It does not mean "The Lord." The Lord means The Baal, translated. Yahweh is not Baal.

Yahweh only has one name, to which his son, Yahushua (aka Jesus) the messiah inherited.

Yahweh is hardly a name. "I am what I am"-that's like saying "what do you mean who I am? go mind your own business!".

[Garry Denke]

الفاتحة

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمد لله رب العالمين
الرحمن الرحيم
ملك يوم الدين
اياك نعبد واياك نستعين
اهدنا الصرط المستقيم
صراط الذين انعمت عليهم غير المغضوب عليهم ولا الضالين


The Opening

1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful:
2. All praise be to YHWH Allah, the Creator of the Worlds.

Dear Garry,

I'm afrald you've mistranslated this second line. Transliterated it reads:

Al-hamdu-li-Llahi Rabbi-l-`alamin

Literally that means: All Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.

As you'll see in the transliteration there is no mention of Yahweh in that phrase. And Rabb means Lord not Creator.

warmest, Susan

Dear Susan,

• Edited by a Moderator •Michael (Meekaeel) says "Creator".

The Recitation (Qur'an) "YHWH Allah" is written, not spoken. It is against Hebraic and Islamic Law to speak "YHWH". The Opening of The Recitation is written: "In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful: All praise be to YHWH Allah, the Creator of the Worlds. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgement. You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help. Guide us to the straight way; The way of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved anger, nor of those who stray."

Example - "Whoever is the enemy of YHWH Allah (LORD God) and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel (Gabriel) and Meekaeel (Michael), so surely YHWH Allah (LORD God) is the enemy of the unbelievers." - Written

Example - "Whoever is the enemy of Allah (LORD God) and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel (Gabriel) and Meekaeel (Michael), so surely Allah (LORD God) is the enemy of the unbelievers." - Spoken

Just remember The Rule (YHWH Allah "Post: #10") and you will do fine.

love, G-D

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[smaneck]

Dear Susan,

The Arabic word Rabb translated above as "Lord" is a poor substitution. It does not do proper justice to its true meaning. Rabb has no equivalent term in the English language.

Dear Garry,

The word Rabb is Hebrew as well as Arabic. The rabbi is derived from rabb.

This Arabic term represents the Creator, the Organizer, the Regulator, the Provider, the Cherisher and the Sustainer as well.

That's a bit much. The trilateral root RBB implies possession and ownership more than anything else.

warmest, Susan

[kittycat]

Are you saying that you agree with the Muslims that the NT has been corrupted?

warmest, Susan[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, Susan, I am not trying to insult your intelligence.

Do I agree with the Muslims? No, not in any way, shape or form. Do I agree that all the Bible has had scribal tampering? Yes, I sure do because YAHWEH says so. It's not a secret that he talks about the lying pen of the scribes. However, he has made provisions for all of mankind, including Muslims, to find truth if they follow his scriptural guidelines.

Was Allah the name of a pagan moon-deity? Yep. BTW, I don't think Islam is the only made-up religion. I can think of a few others too.

And since this is not a fruitful conversation, which it rarely ever can be, end of the conversation for kitty-kitty.

Kitty

[Garry Denke]

سوزان

Any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of YHWH Allah,
and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form. Blessings.

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