YHWH Allah

[shunyadragon]

A creator cannot become a creation.

John 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Mohammed who introduced allah CANNOT be the Jehovah, Elohim, whatsoever....


Only jews worphiped the living God... they rejected and cricified Christ then...

And everyone are considered pagans and heathen by God then...

Philippians 2:5-11 (KJV)Php 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Still nothing here to demonstrate your claim tha Allah was a Moon God.

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Hey, when you run out of arguments and evidence you can always throw around Bible verses!

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Mohammed who introduced allah CANNOT be the Jehovah, Elohim, whatsoever....

So now Muhammad introduced Allah, contrary to your earlier assertion that He was originally a pagan moon diety.

But rest assured Muhammad is neither Jehovah or Elohim.

And everyone are considered pagans and heathen by God then...

Sorry, the verse you cited didn't say that. I'm betting you don't know what the words 'pagan' and 'heathen' mean.

[enoch_jhansi]

Still nothing here to demonstrate your claim tha Allah was a Moon God.

Philippians 2:5-11(KJV)Php 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

There is evidence, you can see this clearly

Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, = who is Also Jehovah.

thought it not robbery to be equal with God: = to be equal with Jehovah - whose name is also Jehovah

found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, - clear Johovah God himself humbled tobecome a man,

So Johovah CANNOT be allah, which is moon god picked from Kaaba by mohammad to be a god to his new religion started by him then.

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Sorry, the NT doesn't mention Jehovah.

You still have offered absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Allah was originally a moon diety. You just keep making assertions.

Where's the beef?

[enoch_jhansi]

Acts 3:15

(Isaiah 9:6)

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Acts 3:15

(Isaiah 9:6)

That's not evidence that Allah was a moon diety.

[enoch_jhansi]

That's not evidence that Allah was a moon diety.

You know pretty well, but still you ignore the truth. People are decieved for ages that is no surprise anyone can be one of them.

Isaiah 55:7 (KJV) Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

[shunyadragon]

You know pretty well, but still you ignore the truth. People are decieved for ages that is no surprise anyone can be one of them.

Isaiah 55:7 (KJV) Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

This represents a statement of belief, unfortunately no help in a defense that Allah is a Moon Deity. Can you present any coherent evidence to support your assertion? Yes or no. It is that simple.

[enoch_jhansi]

This represents a statement of belief, unfortunately no help in a defense that Allah is a Moon Deity. Can you present any coherent evidence to support your assertion? Yes or no. It is that simple.

Matt 13:10-17

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Matt 13:10-17

In other words you have no evidence that Allah was a moon diety.

Just so we're clear.

[enoch_jhansi]

In other words you have no evidence that Allah was a moon diety.

Just so we're clear.

Do you mean Mohammad's allah is the Jehovahs of the Bible?
We mean "Yehovah" (in Telugu an Indian language) = Jehovah. Because it is translated thus.
Do you mean "Allah" in Urdu, Arabic, Hindi, = Jehovah. Translation.
If you mean, then Okay.
But not okay if you mean or forger Allah = Jehovah in meaning.

Pre-Mohammadans worshiped allah as well as Jehovah, if fact other nations also believed and worshiped Jehovah before Mohammad, and just before Mohammad.

What proof can you evidence that allah is Jehovah of the Bible when not once translated allah in the urdu, arabic, hindi, as allah. Why was the word allah is not translated as Jehovah? Show the arabic word for Jehovah in this translation. 1الرَّبُّ رَاعِيَّ فَلاَ يُعْوِزُنِي شَيْءٌ.

or from this verse

2مَعُونَتِي مِنْ عِنْدِ الرَّبِّ، صَانِعِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ.

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Do you mean Mohammad's allah is the Jehovahs of the Bible?
We mean "Yehovah" (in Telugu an Indian language) = Jehovah. Because it is translated thus.
Do you mean "Allah" in Urdu, Arabic, Hindi, = Jehovah. Translation.
If you mean, then Okay.
But not okay if you mean or forger Allah = Jehovah in meaning.

I believe I indicated that Allah was a cognate to Elohim or El, one of the other Names for God found in the Tanakh.

Pre-Mohammadans worshiped allah as well as Jehovah, if fact other nations also believed and worshiped Jehovah before Mohammad, and just before Mohammad.

I never seen any indication that Arabs were at all familiar with the YHWH during the Jahilliyya. Since the Jews regarded the name as too sacred to utter it is unlikely they shared it with Arabs.

What proof can you evidence that allah is Jehovah of the Bible when not once translated allah in the urdu, arabic, hindi, as allah.

Of what possible relevance is it how the translators chose to translate Jehovah? The name Allah is certainly found in Arabic and Urdu translations of the Bible, whether it is used to translate Jehovah or not. I'm sure you will find it all over the Newt Testament. As for Telagu and Hindi, what do those two languages have to do with anything? Allah is an Arabic word.

Why was the word allah is not translated as Jehovah? Show the arabic word for Jehovah in this translation. 1الرَّبُّ رَاعِيَّ فَلاَ يُعْوِزُنِي شَيْءٌ.

or from this verse

2مَعُونَتِي مِنْ عِنْدِ الرَّبِّ، صَانِعِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ.

Ultimately, you'd have to ask the translators, but from what I'm seeing the Tetragram is being replaced with Rabb, meaning Lord. This is probably because the Jews usually replaced the Tetragram themselves with Adonai which also means Lord and it is written as LORD in the KJV.

If this is your evidence that Muslims don't worship the same God as the Jews then neither do Chrisitans since they translate the Tetragram as LORD too.

Susan

[enoch_jhansi]

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I believe I indicated that Allah was a cognate to Elohim or El, one of the other Names for God found in the Tanakh.

Whatever the Tanakh has Elohim, Elohi, or Eloah, it is rightly pointing to the God the Supreme Sovereign.

I never seen any indication that Arabs were at all familiar with the YHWH during the Jahilliyya. Since the Jews regarded the name as too sacred to utter it is unlikely they shared it with Arabs.

Jahiliya is an islamic concept. Not the Bible concept. God considered Abraham as his friend. Can a friend conceal anything to his friend. God himself said, "can I conceal this to my friend." People were willfully blind to the revelation of God. God revealed his revelation to a heathen man, Abraham is a heathen, God chose Abraham and promised him that he would make him a great nation, by history don't you know this. Jews swore, not only utter the name of God. Only sinners and liers will be afraid to take his name, because God commanded not to swear by his name in vain.

Of what possible relevance is it how the translators chose to translate Jehovah? The name Allah is certainly found in Arabic and Urdu translations of the Bible, whether it is used to translate Jehovah or not. I'm sure you will find it all over the Newt Testament. As for Telagu and Hindi, what do those two languages have to do with anything? Allah is an Arabic word.

My telugu Bible certainly certainly doesnt translate Jehovah as allah. It translates Yehovah Pronounced Yae-hov-vah and many times meant Elohi with foot note given God and Gods, Lord and my Lord. It is relevant that it is not pointing allah. Telugu and Hindi are languages. Languages are God's tools. They have everything to do with God because they are God's. Definitely allah is not found translated in Urdu and Arabic translations because it is not translated at all in Telugu. Allah is never translated unless invented.

Ultimately, you'd have to ask the translators, but from what I'm seeing the Tetragram is being replaced with Rabb, meaning Lord. This is probably because the Jews usually replaced the Tetragram themselves with Adonai which also means Lord and it is written as LORD in the KJV.

There are many other Susan or Suzan, written and pronouced, in the world. That doesnt mean You Susan everywhere. Susan You are different from others even if your name had the same meaning or different meaning. Even if allah has a meaning of my god or god, whatsoever it cannot refer to the one true God. Quran does sanction many sins, the Bible doesnt, and many other religions sanction sin, the Bible even the OT testment doesnt sanction one.
I guess you know there are several names of the Almighty God including OT/NT. These names of the Lord reveal his office, His charecter. There is uniqueness in it.
And now don't say God dsn't have charecter..

If this is your evidence that Muslims don't worship the same God as the Jews then neither do Chrisitans since they translate the Tetragram as LORD too.

Christians Know very well who they worship.
If all roads lead to Rome, then why did Christ say "I am the way," "except by Me, and "only through Me."

If only you had very well acquainted with the doctrines of the Bible...

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Whatever the Tanakh has Elohim, Elohi, or Eloah, it is rightly pointing to the God the Supreme Sovereign.

Yeees, and that's what Allah points to as well.

My telugu Bible certainly certainly doesnt translate Jehovah as allah.

How surprising. Your Telagu Bible doesn't contain any Arabic words!

Telugu and Hindi are languages.

Even if allah has a meaning of my god or god, whatsoever it cannot refer to the one true God. Quran does sanction many sins, the Bible doesnt, and many other religions sanction sin, the Bible even the OT testment doesnt sanction one.

Circular. You only define as sin whatever the Bible doesn't sanction. I consider slavery a sin, but the Bible sanctions it. I consider male dominance over women as sinful but the Bible sanctions that as well. I consider religious bigotry as sinful yet the Bible seems to support it.

If all roads lead to Rome, then why did Christ say "I am the way," "except by Me, and "only through Me."

Because if Philip couldn't see God by looking at Jesus he was not going to see Him anyplace elese either.

If only you had very well acquainted with the doctrines of the Bible...

Oh, I know them a fair bit. Just not in Telagu.