Pedophilia - The Next Taboo To Fall?

[carpedm9587]

Easy there. It was an obvious over statement to counter the stupid remark it was in response to.

I see. I missed the "it helps" taunt. My bad.

[Sparko]

You countered with a begged question. If we accept your claim that it is inherently immoral for a young women to consent to certain relationships with an older man, then you have to accept that God's Chosen People did what was inherently immoral for thousands of years when Jewish custom allowed for a woman as young as 13 to marry a man as old as 24, and God never said a word about it, and even Paul appears to have affirmed an "inherently immoral" tradition in one of his letters. How do you reconcile this?

And is it simply the age discrepancy that bothers you? Would you be fine with it if the two parties were closer in age?

And I should point out, again, that I'm not saying that young women necessarily should enter those sorts of relationships, nor am I saying that every female of a certain age is necessarily emotionally and mentally capable of consenting to such a relationship, nor am I saying that it would be proper for a female to be coerced into such a relationship. What I am saying is that such a relationship is not inherently immoral in and of itself, and declaring it so puts you at odds with scripture.

To put it another way, there are good arguments against a young woman entering into a relationship with an older man, but stamping your foot and yelling, "It's inherently immoral!" is not one of them. However, there are NO good arguments for a CHILD to enter into any kind of romantic relationship. In other words, what I've said here can in no way be used as a defense for pedophilia.

the age isn't the problem. It is the imbalance in power. Even in the ANE a 30 year old would not marry a 12 year old. and as I said before kids grew up a lot earlier in the ANE. My 13 year old niece is just a kid. She plays with dolls and such. She is not ready for dating much less marrying. She doesn't know how to be an adult. A 30 year old wanting to date her or marry her would be immoral because he would be putting undue influence on her and the relationship would be one of a parent like authority over a child. There would be no equality there. It would be immoral.

[Obsidian]

the age isn't the problem. It is the imbalance in power. . . . There would be no equality there.

There's supposed to be an imbalance in power. You're talking like a feminist.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

[Mountain Man]

the age isn't the problem. It is the imbalance in power. Even in the ANE a 30 year old would not marry a 12 year old. and as I said before kids grew up a lot earlier in the ANE. My 13 year old niece is just a kid. She plays with dolls and such. She is not ready for dating much less marrying. She doesn't know how to be an adult. A 30 year old wanting to date her or marry her would be immoral because he would be putting undue influence on her and the relationship would be one of a parent like authority over a child. There would be no equality there. It would be immoral.

As I said, there are good arguments against it, and you've presented some, but insisting that it's inherently immoral is still not one of them.

[kiwimac]

There's supposed to be an imbalance in power. You're talking like a feminist.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Strangely enough most of us do not look to a 2000 year old book for instruction in relationships.

[Tassman]

There's supposed to be an imbalance in power. You're talking like a feminist.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

The subjugation of women is no longer acceptable in today's world just as slavery and racial discrimination are not acceptable. They mitigate against universal human rights for all.

[demi-conservative]

Strangely enough most of us do not look to a 2000 year old book for instruction in relationships.

Are you actually priest?

[Mountain Man]

Strangely enough most of us do not look to a 2000 year old book for instruction in relationships.

That goes a long way towards explaining many of the problems with today's society.

[Sparko]

There's supposed to be an imbalance in power. You're talking like a feminist.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Verse 21: 21 Submit yourselves to one another because of your reverence for Christ.

Marriage is not about dominating your wife. It is a partnership. she is to be a man's helpmate. That is not possible with an adult married to a child.

[kiwimac]

Are you actually priest?

Yes, Priest and Monsignor to be exact. My relationship with my wife is not slavishly bound to what Paul had to say.

[kiwimac]

That goes a long way towards explaining many of the problems with today's society.

Rot and nonsense.

[Obsidian]

Marriage is not about dominating your wife. It is a partnership.

This is starting to explain a lot. You are indeed a feminist.

[Mountain Man]

Yes, Priest and Monsignor to be exact. My relationship with my wife is not slavishly bound to what Paul had to say.

So you reject scripture when it comes to God's commands for the marital relationship?

[Mountain Man]

Verse 21: 21 Submit yourselves to one another because of your reverence for Christ.

Marriage is not about dominating your wife. It is a partnership. she is to be a man's helpmate. That is not possible with an adult married to a child.

Yep. It's a two-way street. The man is the head of the marriage relationship, but he is not to domineer over his wife; rather, he is to encourage and protect her. And the wife is to submit to her husband, not as one who is subservient but as one who supports, like a pillar supports a bridge (note that in this analogy, the bridge can not stand without the pillar!).

[JonathanL]

Rot and nonsense.

Funny, I think the same thing when I read about 99% of your posts.