Abortion: Obama and Palin Contrast

[ApologiaPhoenix]

Here is Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

"If they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. "

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin on her daughter in the same situation with one minor difference. For Palin, it is not a hypothetical but real. And yes, that is sarcasm:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-sa...,3227166.story

And on Trig: (Who by the way, is Sarah Palin's child in case you haven't heard. )

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...mment_15092477

"Trig is beautiful and already adored by us. We knew through early testing he would face special challenges, and we feel privileged that God would entrust us with this gift and allow us unspeakable joy as he entered our lives. We have faith that every baby is created for good purpose and has potential to make this world a better place. We are truly blessed."

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[Philosophickle]

I like Palin. But I have some questions for you, Nick. Do you know what the duties of a VP are? Don't you think the only reason that McCain picked her is to make you say things like you are saying now? Does it bother you that McCain wanted to pick a pro-choice VP before his advisors made him pick Palin?

[themuzicman]

Wow.. you must really feel threatened by this topic to try to derail this thread so quickly and obviously.

Michael

[Philosophickle]

Wow.. you must really feel threatened by this topic to try to derail this thread so quickly and obviously.

I think it is perfectly relevant. I assume this thread is comparing Obama and Palin, and my point is to say that while we can compare their character, her role as VP is entirely limited by the job itself and by her running mate. That's why it's useless to compare the two.

[themuzicman]

Unless something happens to McCain. Then it'll be VERY relevant. Something we probably ought to discuss before we elect.

Michael

[Philosophickle]

Unless something happens to McCain. Then it'll be VERY relevant. Something we probably ought to discuss before we elect.

That's probably fair to say. The chances of McCain dying in office are probably higher than most in recent history. I still don't think the chances of her becoming president are very high, but I think McCain said he would only serve one term if he one and I'm sure, pending the GOP's endorsement of her, Palin would take the reigns as the Republican hopeful.

Until then, however, she gets to tend to the health of McCain. There is the chance that she could be designated some task by McCain, but it is very unlikely that it would have anything to do with abortion.

[themuzicman]

You never know. She could easily be the poster mom for the pro-life movement, given her own DS son, which she chose to keep, and her pregnant daughter who is going to keep and raise her own child, in spite of difficult circumstances.

I do imagine, however, that McCain and the GOP will be getting her inside the DC political structure, so she will have the political power to go with the political will she already has to win in 2012 or 2016.

Wouldn't a Palin/Clinton contest be interesting? The aging old hag who hung onto her husband's coattails until getting into the Senate, vs. the new generation woman who went from Mayor to Governor to VP all on her own?

Who's the real feminist success story?

Michael

[Philosophickle]

MM, while I despise McCain I truly hope what you say about her is true; I despise Hillary even more, and I agree with you that Palin is everything Hillary should want to be but isn't.

I really, really wish I could just vote for her. I'll wait until she's on the ticket without McCain to give her my vote.

[themuzicman]

Same here. Perhaps she is the silver lining for what is otherwise a dismal choice for President this year.

Michael

[Macgawd]

I like Palin. But I have some questions for you, Nick. Do you know what the duties of a VP are? Don't you think the only reason that McCain picked her is to make you say things like you are saying now? Does it bother you that McCain wanted to pick a pro-choice VP before his advisors made him pick Palin?

I don't think people realize what a chess game running for President of the United States really is, and that the candidates make choices based not just on qualifications, but on what will give them the best chance to win. Obama was concerned that his non-existent experience and record would become a serious liability once the real campaigning began, so he chose a 30-year veteran politician to shore up his many weaknesses. McCain, on the other hand, has ample experience, so he chose a candidate best suited to neutralize his own weaknesses.

While I like Sarah Palin as McCain's choice, I am smart enough to realize that the choice was not spurious, but very calculated: her stance as a pro-life political reformer is right in line with McCain, but he probably had his choice of candidates that would fit that bill. Palin was the obvious choice for the things that other candidates couldn't bring to the table: She's a young, attractive woman with strong family values, with no significant political baggage. The fact that the Lefist loonies are attacking her 17-year-old daughter in a bizarre attempt to prove that Sarah Palin is unfit to lead only underscores what a solid candidate she really is.

As for McCain wanting a pro-choice candidate? Show me the money. McCain's choice for VP was a very closely guarded secret, but Sarah Palin's name was floated as a real possibility way back in April, so this was not a last-minute decision. Furthermore, given that his choice was such a surprise to everyone, any claim that McCain really wanted a pro-choice candidate would seem to be baseless speculation.

=M=

[Philosophickle]

As for McCain wanting a pro-choice candidate? Show me the money. McCain's choice for VP was a very closely guarded secret, but Sarah Palin's name was floated as a real possibility way back in April, so this was not a last-minute decision. Furthermore, given that his choice was such a surprise to everyone, any claim that McCain really wanted a pro-choice candidate would seem to be baseless speculation.

It's no secret that McCain wanted Joe Lieberman as his VP.

[Alchemist]

Abortion isn't a real campaign issue. Most people consider it a settled issue. Only the Republican base will vote based on it, and choosing Palin was a pure strategic move to get the far right to turn out for McCain.

[decoski]

It's no secret that McCain wanted Joe Lieberman as his VP.

Good thing for him that he didn't. McCain would have lost easily to Obama - he still might as anything can happen in a campaign - as me and my fellow Conservatives would have not voted.

[FlimFlamboyant]

As for McCain wanting a pro-choice candidate? Show me the money. McCain's choice for VP was a very closely guarded secret, but Sarah Palin's name was floated as a real possibility way back in April, so this was not a last-minute decision. Furthermore, given that his choice was such a surprise to everyone, any claim that McCain really wanted a pro-choice candidate would seem to be baseless speculation.

A little while back, the McCain campaign was calling people, asking them how they would feel about a pro-abortion running mate. It's hard to say just how close they came to selecting one (probably Lieberman), but it was most certainly being considered.

If you ask me, selecting Palin is clearly an attempt to pander to both the conservative right and disgruntled Hillary supporters who don't realize it. I don't believe for a moment that her policies and worldview have a thing to do it. Having said that, I'd rather have her there than Lieberman, despite the fact that I'm a chauvinist, sexist pig, and oppose the notion of women in such positions of power. As for president, I'd take her over Obama any day. I'd rather have a woman there than a man who is a murderer in his heart.

[mossrose]

If you ask me, selecting Palin is clearly an attempt to pander to both the conservative right and disgruntled Hillary supporters who don't realize it.

And if McCain had chosen Leiberman, you could have said, "if you ask me, selecting Leiberman is clearly an attempt to pander to both the liberal left and disgruntled Hillary supporters who don't realize it."

It's always the same thing. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.