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  • #31
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    The quote, including “homophobic” was from Wiki. Take it up with them.
    Wiki is not the final arbiter of truth, Tazzy. Even the Associated Press dropped "homophobic" from its style guide FOUR YEARS ago.

    "The news service's widely used style guide has added language advising against use of the term, saying it amounts to a diagnosis of mental disability."

    However, I guess that won't stop you Christophobes from continuing to use it.

    Nope, just pro-civil rights for all, something you fundies opposes on the basis of your hateful religious beliefs.
    Nope, you're a Christophobe, still using hateful language.

    Read it for yourself: “The Family Research Council (FRC) bills itself as “the leading voice for the family in our nation’s halls of power,”
    Yes, that's what they say, and that's what they do.

    but its real specialty is defaming gays and lesbians...”
    Well, that's how you Christophobes see it, Tazzy.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      Nope, you're a Christophobe, still using hateful language.
      Oh you’ve coined a new put-down word, how clever.

      I said I was “pro-civil rights for all citizens”...interesting that you find this “hateful language.

      Yes, that's what they say, and that's what they do.
      That’s what Family Research Council say they do, but not what they actually do according to the Southern Poverty Law Center: “The FRC often makes false claims about the LGBT community based on discredited research and junk science. The intention is to denigrate LGBT people in its battles against same-sex marriage, hate crimes laws, anti-bullying programs and the repeal of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy...” Their use of the discredited Regneras study springs to mind.

      Well, that's how you Christophobes see it, Tazzy.
      No, that’s how any fair-minded observers see it. “The SPLC is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. Using litigation, education, and other forms of advocacy, the SPLC works toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality.”

      https://www.splcenter.org/about

      Noble objectives, don’t you think?
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        I think this says a lot more about you than you realize.
        Okay I'll bite. What does it say about me?

        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        You libs really love throwing that word "homophobic" around... the definition would be "hatred or fear of" homosexuals.
        I would say that conservatives love willfully misinterpreting it and getting unduly offended by it.

        What liberals typically mean by it is something along the lines of "Any kind of opposition to homosexuality or to same-sex sexual behavior." That is what I mean when I use the word. It's a parallel word to "racist" or "sexist" in the sense that those involve similar opposition or discrimination on grounds of race or gender. Conservatives on this forum seem to like to throw a little tantrum and say the word "must mean" something else. After having interminable arguments over the word's meaning with various posters in this forum, I posted an open-ended poll on an LGBT forum and asked them about what they saw as the meaning of the word, and 80% of them affirmed the meaning I just gave, while only 10% affirmed your suggested meaning.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Okay I'll bite. What does it say about me?

          I would say that conservatives love willfully misinterpreting it and getting unduly offended by it.

          What liberals typically mean by it is something along the lines of "Any kind of opposition to homosexuality or to same-sex sexual behavior." That is what I mean when I use the word. It's a parallel word to "racist" or "sexist" in the sense that those involve similar opposition or discrimination on grounds of race or gender. Conservatives on this forum seem to like to throw a little tantrum and say the word "must mean" something else. After having interminable arguments over the word's meaning with various posters in this forum, I posted an open-ended poll on an LGBT forum and asked them about what they saw as the meaning of the word, and 80% of them affirmed the meaning I just gave, while only 10% affirmed your suggested meaning.
          Yes, the simple dictionary definition is quite clear: Homophobe: "a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly". (Merriam Webster.) CP and others of his ilk like to get all pseudo-technical so as to change the subject and avoid the truth of their own bigotry.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            Oh you’ve coined a new put-down word, how clever.
            No, actually, it's been out there for some time.

            I said I was “pro-civil rights for all citizens”...interesting that you find this “hateful language.
            Well, sure, you mask your anti-Christian hate with a nicer name. But, here you are, on a Christian-run website, doing battle with Christians. It's who you are.

            That’s what Family Research Council say they do
            Yeah, just like you say you do “pro-civil rights for all citizens”, while, in truth, here you are battling Christians.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              Yes, the simple dictionary definition is quite clear: Homophobe: "a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly". (Merriam Webster.)
              I do none of those.

              CP and others of his ilk like to get all pseudo-technical so as to change the subject and avoid the truth of their own bigotry.
              See there? You're proving what a hypocrite you are. Your contempt for Christianity is quite evident. But Jesus said there'd be people like you.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                Oh you’ve coined a new put-down word, how clever.

                I said I was “pro-civil rights for all citizens”...interesting that you find this “hateful language.



                That’s what Family Research Council say they do, but not what they actually do according to the Southern Poverty Law Center: “The FRC often makes false claims about the LGBT community based on discredited research and junk science. The intention is to denigrate LGBT people in its battles against same-sex marriage, hate crimes laws, anti-bullying programs and the repeal of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy...” Their use of the discredited Regneras study springs to mind.



                No, that’s how any fair-minded observers see it. “The SPLC is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. Using litigation, education, and other forms of advocacy, the SPLC works toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality.”

                https://www.splcenter.org/about

                Noble objectives, don’t you think?
                It has already been shown that the SPLC is a less than credible source in this matter. They have become little more than a joke in recent years. And anyone can have "noble objectives"

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  It has already been shown that the SPLC is a less than credible source in this matter. They have become little more than a joke in recent years. And anyone can have "noble objectives"
                  That's beside the point - they label FRC a hate group - that's all Tazzy cares about.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39


                    You progs need to sort out your propaganda!!

                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    "Any kind of opposition to homosexuality or to same-sex sexual behavior." That is what I mean when I use the word.
                    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    Yes, the simple dictionary definition is quite clear: Homophobe: "a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly".
                    Does "homophobia" mean hate and fear or just opposition??? I mean, we all know both of you trying to smear and dissemble but please please try to be more consistent so you not so pathetic?

                    Seriously now. Either meaning of 'homophobia' includes fear and hate (aka Tazzy's 'simple dictionary definition') or does not (Starlight's 90% poll in some random forum). The two of you go sort it out via PM and get back to us!!

                    Last edited by demi-conservative; 08-28-2016, 11:25 AM.
                    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                    • #40
                      Prog 1: 'homophobia' just means opposition, not necessarily mean fear or hate, so stop misinterpreting!!!

                      Prog 2: 'homophobia' by simple dictionary definition has fear or hate, so stop misinterpreting!!!

                      demi:




                      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                        Does "homophobia" mean hate and fear or just opposition???
                        Not sure if your Russian to English dictionary tells you this, but words in English can have more than one meaning.

                        Decades ago homophobia carried a meaning of hate and fear. But the usage of words often changes over time, especially when it's a culturally relevant word like this one, and now the more common meaning is opposition rather than hate or fear. Depending on whether the dictionary source used has been revised based on modern usage will affect which definition is given. Most major dictionaries try and revise their definitions every few years to reflect updated usage. The definition Tass cited bizarrely mashes the old and new meanings together in one.

                        Speaking for myself, when I use the word, I simply mean opposition to homosexuality. I do not mean to imply hate or fear. I generally prefer to use the term "anti-gay" instead, in order to ensure I am not misunderstood.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          It has already been shown that the SPLC is a less than credible source in this matter. They have become little more than a joke in recent years. And anyone can have "noble objectives"
                          Why, because you say so?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Not sure if your Russian to English dictionary tells you this, but words in English can have more than one meaning.
                            True

                            Decades ago homophobia carried a meaning of hate and fear. But the usage of words often changes over time, especially when it's a culturally relevant word like this one, and now the more common meaning is opposition rather than hate or fear.
                            So...... according to your modified definition, you're a Christophobe at the very minimum.

                            Depending on whether the dictionary source used has been revised based on modern usage will affect which definition is given. Most major dictionaries try and revise their definitions every few years to reflect updated usage. The definition Tass cited bizarrely mashes the old and new meanings together in one.
                            It's not bizarre - it's just not historical revisionism. It shows both.

                            Speaking for myself, when I use the word, I simply mean opposition to homosexuality. I do not mean to imply hate or fear. I generally prefer to use the term "anti-gay" instead, in order to ensure I am not misunderstood.
                            So, you're a Christophobe, cause here you are opposing us.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              So, you're a Christophobe, cause here you are opposing us.
                              If you like.
                              I don't really care what words you want to make up.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                If you like.
                                I don't really care what words you want to make up.
                                Yeah, the label doesn't matter - just that you're a member of a Christian hate-group.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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