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    I was met with an interesting wuestion and was curious to see if any of you had an answer.
    If jesus died on a friday and rose three days later why is it he rose on sunday instead of monday?
    I am rather curious.
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    The simplest answer is that any portion of a day was considered a full day by the Jews. So, died on Friday, in the grave Friday and Saturday nights and risen on the morning of the Sunday. You could say, day and night, 1 day, day and night, 2 days, day, 3 days.

    I am sure that is clear as mud, and someone else will have a better answer. But that is how I understand it.


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    • #3
      I geuss that makes sense
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      • #4
        He died on the first day (Friday), was still dead on the second day, Saturday, rose on the third day, Sunday.

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        • #5
          Intruiging.
          So the 24 hour period wasnt what mattered.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by TheWall View Post
            Intruiging.
            So the 24 hour period wasnt what mattered.
            Nope! The ancients didn't think of time and days in the same way we do.
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              The simplest answer is that any portion of a day was considered a full day by the Jews.....
              ...noting that their "days" started at sundown and went to sundown.

              However, the "working day" was divided into 12 hours (or periods of time), from dawn to sunset. "Are there not 12 hours in a day?"

              They weren't as obsessed with time as we are, so the 12 hours of the day were "periods of time", not necessarily 60 minutes. So, an hour in 'halacha' is figured by taking the total 'daylight time' of a particular day, from dawn to sunset, and dividing it into twelve equal parts. A 'halachic hour' = "sha'ah zemanit", which was a proportional hour, varying by the season and even by the day.

              The first hour = 6 to 7 am
              The second hour = 7 to 8 am
              The third hour = 8 to 9 am
              The fourth hour = 9 to 10 am
              The fifth hour = 10 to 11 am
              The sixth hour = 11 am to 12 pm
              The seventh hour = 12 to 1 pm
              The eighth hour = 1 to 2 pm
              The ninth hour = 2 to 3 pm
              The tenth hour = 3 to 4 pm
              The eleventh hour = 4 to 5 pm
              The twelfth hour = 5 to 6 pm

              The Bible also mentions "hours of the night"... Luke mentions (Acts 23:23) that it was about 9 PM (the third hour of the night) that soldiers escorted Paul from Jerusalem to Caesarea. In the OT, the night was divided into three "watches". In the NT, the night was divided into four "watches".

              It's complicated.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                And then there's "Mexican Time". Our Hispanic Mission advertised that their morning service started at 11:00 AM, but that was simply the advertised time at which people could begin to show up. That 'time' would usually find the praise band assembling, people greeting one another, others still arriving, and "Church" just might get started about 11:17 or 11:23 or.... whenever they were ready.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  I think that he really died on Wednesday or Thursday and that the official Catholic timeline is wrong. Wouldn't be the first time they were wrong about something.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                    I think that he really died on Wednesday or Thursday and that the official Catholic timeline is wrong. Wouldn't be the first time they were wrong about something.
                    How do you see it as the "Catholic" timeline? It seems to me that scholars who are not Catholic see the three days as the ancient Jews saw them.

                    And if Jesus died on the Wednesday or Thursday then the timing would not have been correct for the Passover that year.

                    He HAD to be on the cross before sundown on the Friday, before the Sabbath started. He had to die at the time of the evening sacrifices of lambs of atonement in order to fulfill God's timeline for His perfect Sacrifice.

                    I don't see any way that scripture puts the actual crucifixion on any other day than the Friday.
                    Last edited by mossrose; 08-29-2016, 06:46 PM.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                      I was met with an interesting wuestion and was curious to see if any of you had an answer.
                      If jesus died on a friday and rose three days later why is it he rose on sunday instead of monday?
                      I am rather curious.
                      Like others have said, the ancient Jews thought of time differently than we do. But they also had a distinct lack of concern for precision in time. Arguably this can be applied to not just time though, but as a wide spread cultural disinterest in precision. Something that I think is relevant to understanding this is the differences between the technology available to the ancients versus us modern Westerners. The higher a culture's level of technology, the more relevant precision becomes. Compare the most popular form of transportation available to the common ancient back then (walking) to the most common form of transportation available to a modern westerner (driving). It is pretty hard to mess up walking, but even slight errors in construction, maintenance, or operation of a car can lead to death. You need more precision to safely drive than you do to safely walk. And the level of precision for safe operation increases the more complex the vehicle becomes--look at the potential for disaster with airplanes and spacecraft. And this is just looking at transportation technology, consider medicine (oil and natural remedies vs prescription drugs and surgery), weapons (fists and swords vs guns and nukes), or houses (ancient dwellings vs modern buildings). Slight errors can result in catastrophic fires, explosions, and wholesale death.

                      So it makes sense that we westerners are utterly obsessed with precise measurements, to the point where natural measures of time, like the rotation of the earth or the day/night cycle, are too variable to be useful to us (a solar day isn't exactly 24 hours, it varies a bit). There is a reason we have leap seconds and leap years. Even the definition of a second is impacted by this. A second is actually defined as "...duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom" (http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/second.html). Read that definition again and let it sink in. Let's all (not necessarily you TheWall, I'm just talking generally) cut the ancients a bit of slack--they didn't have our, justifiably sensible and oftentimes very necessary, obsession with precision.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mossrose
                        It seems to me that scholars who are not Catholic see the three days as the ancient Jews saw them.
                        Originally posted by Paula
                        Like others have said, the ancient Jews thought of time differently than we do. But they also had a distinct lack of concern for precision in time.
                        I don't think so.

                        Revelation 11:11
                        And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.


                        Originally posted by mossrose
                        And if Jesus died on the Wednesday or Thursday then the timing would not have been correct for the Passover that year.
                        Why? How do you know that the Passover was on Friday? Because the Catholics told you?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                          I think that he really died on Wednesday or Thursday and that the official Catholic timeline is wrong. Wouldn't be the first time they were wrong about something.
                          I believe this too. Jesus explicitly said he'd be in the tomb three days and three nights. I doubt he was using colorful language or hyperbole or whatever, because he specifically used it as a prophetic benchmark. There's no possible way to finagle three nights from Friday to Sunday. Luke also seems to imply two Sabbaths from the time Jesus was buried to the time he was raised.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                            I don't think so.

                            Revelation 11:11
                            And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.




                            Why? How do you know that the Passover was on Friday? Because the Catholics told you?
                            no because we have calendars. derp.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                              I don't think so.

                              Revelation 11:11
                              And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.




                              Why? How do you know that the Passover was on Friday? Because the Catholics told you?
                              Believe me, Catholics don't tell me anything.


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