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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post

    Not the same person. St. Nicholas lived in the 3rd/4th century, long after Revelation was written.
    Never seen Bibleuser care about context, so this isn't surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Never seen Bibleuser care about context, so this isn't surprising.
    You seen the Principle though do you not??
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post

    Not the same person. St. Nicholas lived in the 3rd/4th century, long after Revelation was written.
    Sect of Santa!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibleuser View Post
    Sect of Santa!!
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    Don't forget that if you move the 'n' that Santa becomes Satan!!!

    and that N stands for Nicholaus!

    666!!! <-- Santa has 8 reindeer in two rows. 8 x 4 is 32. 3 x 2 is 6! the reindeer are a TEAM. Team sounds like 'teen.' So 8 teen = 18. 18/3=6. 6+6+6=18. 666!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibleuser View Post
    Sect of Santa!!
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    The concept of Santa Claus is about a century and a half old, so much, much more recent than St. Nicholas. Further, there is nearly no overlap between the two; even the sole similarity (giving gifts) is conceptually very different. St. Nicholas is remembered for secretly giving dowries for girls who would otherwise have been sold into slavery due to penury, which is nothing like giving gifts to children because they've been good.

    By all means, keep showing your extreme ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibleuser View Post
    You seen the Principle though do you not??
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    No, because there is no connection between St. Nicholas, and the Nicolaitians of Revelation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    The concept of Santa Claus is about a century and a half old, so much, much more recent than St. Nicholas. Further, there is nearly no overlap between the two; even the sole similarity (giving gifts) is conceptually very different. St. Nicholas is remembered for secretly giving dowries for girls who would otherwise have been sold into slavery due to penury, which is nothing like giving gifts to children because they've been good.

    By all means, keep showing your extreme ignorance.
    MMMMMMMMMMMM ...........

    "The New York elite succeeded in domesticating Christmas through a new "Santa Claus" tradition invented by Washington Irving, John Pintard and Clement Clarke Moore. Moore's poem was printed in four new almanacs in 1824, just one year after it was in the Troy, New York, paper. The poem and other descriptions of the Santa Claus ritual appeared in more and more local papers. More than anything else, "A Visit From St. Nicholas" introduced the custom of a cozy, domestic Santa Christmas tradition to the nation.

    Other artists and writers continued the change to an elf-like St. Nicholas, "Sancte Claus," or "Santa Claus," unlike the stately European bishop. In 1863, during the Civil War, political cartoonist Thomas Nast began a series of annual black-and-white drawings in Harper's Weekly, based on the descriptions found in the poem and Washington Irving's work. These drawings established a rotund Santa with flowing beard, fur garments, and an omnipresent clay pipe. Nast's Santa supported the Union and President Lincoln believed this contributed to the Union troops' success by demoralizing Confederate soldiers. As Nast drew Santas until 1886, his work had considerable influence in forming the American Santa Claus. Along with appearance changes, the saint's name shifted to Santa Claus—a natural phonetic alteration from the German Sankt Niklaus.

    Churches, influenced by German immigrants who loved Christmas, Clement Clarke Moore, Washington Irving, Charles Dickens, the Oxford Movement in the Anglican church, and church musicians embracing carol singing, began to bring Christmas observances into their lives. The growth of Sunday Schools in cities exposed hundreds of thousands of children to Christianity. Initially oopposed to Christmas observance, by the 1850s Sunday Schools had discovered that a Christmas tree, Santa and gifts, greatly improved attendance. So, in a strange twist of fate, the new "secular" Santa Claus, no longer seen as a religious figure, helped return Christmas observance to churches."-http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/origin-of-santa/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibleuser View Post
    MMMMMMMMMMMM ...........

    "The New York elite succeeded in domesticating Christmas through a new "Santa Claus" tradition invented by Washington Irving, John Pintard and Clement Clarke Moore. Moore's poem was printed in four new almanacs in 1824, just one year after it was in the Troy, New York, paper. The poem and other descriptions of the Santa Claus ritual appeared in more and more local papers. More than anything else, "A Visit From St. Nicholas" introduced the custom of a cozy, domestic Santa Christmas tradition to the nation.

    Other artists and writers continued the change to an elf-like St. Nicholas, "Sancte Claus," or "Santa Claus," unlike the stately European bishop. In 1863, during the Civil War, political cartoonist Thomas Nast began a series of annual black-and-white drawings in Harper's Weekly, based on the descriptions found in the poem and Washington Irving's work. These drawings established a rotund Santa with flowing beard, fur garments, and an omnipresent clay pipe. Nast's Santa supported the Union and President Lincoln believed this contributed to the Union troops' success by demoralizing Confederate soldiers. As Nast drew Santas until 1886, his work had considerable influence in forming the American Santa Claus. Along with appearance changes, the saint's name shifted to Santa Claus—a natural phonetic alteration from the German Sankt Niklaus.

    Churches, influenced by German immigrants who loved Christmas, Clement Clarke Moore, Washington Irving, Charles Dickens, the Oxford Movement in the Anglican church, and church musicians embracing carol singing, began to bring Christmas observances into their lives. The growth of Sunday Schools in cities exposed hundreds of thousands of children to Christianity. Initially oopposed to Christmas observance, by the 1850s Sunday Schools had discovered that a Christmas tree, Santa and gifts, greatly improved attendance. So, in a strange twist of fate, the new "secular" Santa Claus, no longer seen as a religious figure, helped return Christmas observance to churches."-http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/origin-of-santa/
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    Oh, TWO centuries, not a century and a half. You do realize that what you posted mostly confirms my post, yes? Santa Claus is pretty much entirely irrelevant to the historical figure of St. Nicholas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Oh, TWO centuries, not a century and a half. You do realize that what you posted mostly confirms my post, yes? Santa Claus is pretty much entirely irrelevant to the historical figure of St. Nicholas.
    I don't think he will notice. BU seems very good at only taking in selective information that meets his beliefs and ignoring anything that questions them. Usually this is because of fear. They are afraid to question or test their beliefs because it might upset their whole worldview. So, armed with cult literature and propaganda they just routinely spout the party line and ignore anything that questions it.

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