Where is Isa (Jesus of Islam) buried?

[barnasha]

I don't hate you AT ALL, muddy, we just take great exception to that hateful ideology and way of life that you have been brainwashed into -islam...:-))

Take some time, and let this fact SINK INTO your unfortunate, muddied head.

Dan.

What about mudcake's ideology do you consider hateful?

[Krusader]

Dan, you have never approached the Qur'an with an open mind and heart.

But I'm sure Smaneck has studied the Quran with an open heart, since the Bahai cult states that the Bible is not as authoritative as the Quran.

The Bahai Faith is an offshoot of Shia Islam, and holds Mohammed to be a manifestation of God.

[smaneck]

But I'm sure Smaneck has studied the Quran with an open heart, since the Bahai cult states that the Bible is not as authoritative as the Quran.

The Bahai Faith is an offshoot of Shia Islam, and holds Mohammed to be a manifestation of God.

LOL. Do you think people here don't know that I am a Baha'i and regard Muhammad as a Manifestation of God?

As has been explained to you a zillion times, Ath, the Baha'i Faith has the same relationship to Islam that Christianity has to Judaism.

But I think it is interesting that you choose to take me on here having got another forum to shut down because you were losing the debate with me there.

[Dan Zebiri]

Not that I have not given the reasons before, but here again are partly why islam's hateful & violent ideology spawned by the Quran deserves to be thoroughky REJECTED ! ...:

The Koran's 164 Jihad Verses (Among others).Excerpt K 2:178-179
Set 1, Count 1+2 [2.178]...retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain...

[2.179] ...there is life for you in (the law of) retaliation, O men of understanding, that you may guard yourselves.Excerpt K 2:190-191

Set 2, Count 3+4 [2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. Excerpt K 2:193-194
Set 3, Count 5+6 [193]...fight with them...[194]...whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you... Excerpt K 2:216-218
Set 4, Count 7-9 [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you...[2.217]... fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter...persecution is graver than slaughter... [2.218]...strove hard in the way of Allah... Excerpt K 2:244
Set 5, Count 10 ...fight in the way of Allah Excerpt K 3:121-126
Set 6, Count 11-16 [3.121]...to lodge the believers in encampments for war...[3.122] When two parties from among you had determined that they should show cowardice [about Jihad]...[3.123]...Allah did certainly assist you at [the Battle of] Badr...[3.124]...[3.125] Yea! if you remain patient and are on your guard, and they come upon you in a headlong manner, your Lord will assist you with five thousand of the havoc-making angels. [3.126] ...victory is only from Allah... Excerpt K 3:140-143
Set 7, Count 17-20 [3.140] If a wound has afflicted you (at [the Battle of] Uhud), a wound like it has also afflicted the (unbelieving) people; and We bring these days to men by turns, and that Allah may know those who believe and take witnesses from among you...[3.141] ...that He [Allah] may purge those who believe and deprive the unbelievers of blessings. [3.142] Yusuf Ali: Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without God testing those of you who fought hard (in His Cause) and remained steadfast? [3.143] Pickthall: And verily ye used to wish for death before ye met it (in the field). Now ye have seen it [death] with your eyes!Excerpt K 3:146

Set 8, Count 21 Yusuf Ali: How many of the prophets fought (in Allah's way) [Jihad], and with them (fought) large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way [lost a battle], nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [in Jihad].Excerpt K 3:152-158

Set 9, Count 22-28 [3.152]...you slew them by His [Allah's] permission [during a Jihad battle]...[3.153] Pickthall: ...the messenger, in your rear, was calling you (to fight)...that which ye missed [war spoils]...[3.154]...They say: Had we any hand in the affair, we would not have been slain here [in a Jihad battle]. Say: Had you remained in your houses, those for whom slaughter was ordained [in a Jihad battle] would certainly have gone forth to the places where they would be slain...[3.155] (As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met...[3.156] O you who believe! be not like those who disbelieve and say of their brethren when they travel in the earth or engage in fighting: Had they been with us, they would not have died and they would not have been slain...[3.157]...if you are slain in the way of Allah...mercy is better than what they amass [what those who stay home from Jihad receive – no booty on earth and no perks in heaven]. [3.158] …if indeed you die or you are slain, certainly to Allah shall you be gathered together.Excerpt K 3:165-167

Set 10, Count 29-31 [3.165]...you [Muslims] had certainly afflicted (the unbelievers) with twice as much [in a Jihad battle]...[3.166]...when the two armies met ([the Battle of] Uhud)...[3.167]...Come, fight in Allah's way, or defend yourselves...If we knew fighting, we would certainly have followed you...Excerpt K 3:169

Set 11, Count 32 ...reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven];Excerpt K 3:172-173

Set 12, Count 33+34 [3.172] ...those who responded (at [the Battle of] Uhud) to the call of Allah and the Apostle after a wound had befallen them...shall have a great reward. [3.173] Those to whom the people said: Surely men have gathered against you [in battle], therefore fear them, but this increased their faith, and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent is the Protector.Excerpt K 3:195

Set 13, Count 35 ...who fought and were slain...I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.Excerpt K 4:071-072

Set 14, Count 36+37 [4.71] ...go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]. [4.72] ...hang back [from Jihad] ...not present with them [in Jihad].Excerpt K 4:074-077

Set 15, Count 38-41 [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] ...fight in the way of Allah... [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan... [4.77] ...when fighting is prescribed for them...Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us?...Excerpt K 4:084

Set 16, Count 42 Fight then in Allah's way...rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve...Excerpt K 4:089-091

Set 17, Count 43-45 [4.89] ...take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them... [4.90] Allah has not given you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91]...seize them and kill them wherever you find them...Excerpt K 4:094-095

Set 18, Count 46+47 [4.94]...when you go to war in Allah's way... [4.95] ...those who strive hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal...Allah shall grant to the strivers [i.e., Jihadist] above the holders back a mighty reward.Excerpt K 4:100-104

Set 19, Count 48-52 ...whoever flies in Allah's way [forsakes his home to fight in Jihad], he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him [in Jihad], his reward is indeed with Allah...[4.101] Rodwell: And when ye go forth to war in the land, it shall be no crime in you to cut short your prayers, if ye fear lest the infidels come upon you; Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! [4.102]...let them take their arms...let them take their precautions and their arms...there is no blame on you, if you are annoyed with rain or if you are sick, that you lay down your arms...[4.103] Khalifa: Once you complete your Contact Prayer (Salat), you shall remember GOD while standing, sitting, or lying down. Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat); the Contact Prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times.[4.104]...be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy...Excerpt K 4:141

Set 20, Count 53 Sher Ali:...If you have a victory [in Jihad] from Allah...Excerpt K 5:033

Set 21, Count 54 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have "exiled" rather than "imprisoned"]Excerpt K 5:035

Set 22, Count 55 ...strive hard [at Jihad] in His way that you may be successful.Excerpt K 5:082

Set 23, Count 56 ...you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews [compare with "whenever Jews kindle fire for war, Allah [Muslims] puts it out" (K 005:064)] and those who are polytheists [while they are converted to Islam on pain of death]...Excerpt K 8:001

Set 24, Count 57 Pickthall: ...the spoils of war...The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messengerExcerpt K 8:005

Set 25, Count 58 Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse;Excerpt K 8:007

Set 26, Count 59 ...Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers.Excerpt K 8:009-010

Set 27, Count 60+61 [8.9]...I will assist you [in Jihad] with a thousand of the angels following one another [see K 008:012]. [8.10] ...Allah only gave it as a good news and that your hearts might be at ease thereby; and victory is only from Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.Excerpt K 8:012

Set 28, Count 62 ...make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.Excerpt K 8:015-017

DAN.

What about mudcake's ideology do you consider hateful?

[barnasha]

Dan,

I scanned your post but did not see any answers to the question.

Did you cite these texts to support a point but accidentally leave out your point?

[Dan Zebiri]

Barnasha,

The point of my posting that is obvious, There are so many verses and injunctions in your quran calling for and enjoining violence, forcefulness and death upon non-Muslims. That it is obvious that islam in truth NOT and CAN'T be a religion of peace as muslim propogandists purport it to be.

Dan,

I scanned your post but did not see any answers to the question.

Did you cite these texts to support a point but accidentally leave out your point?

[fiddlin-john]

Wow, after reading through this I have to say, not a lot is worth reading!

I expected a little more information and less speculation.

Tell me is there any Muslim here who defends the Quran from a historical and logical perspective? Because for those of us who do not believe in Islam, I find very little actual evidence being used. Likewise, I encourage everyone who has not to read the historical truths we know about the Prophet (from Islamic and non-Christian historians).

This is not about adherence to God, but the offspring of manipulation from the thieving murderer Mohamed.