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      [I] No, we don't do that! We take what we know, demanding evidence for any claim, hardly, dismissing a prioir any claims. We are empiricists demanding facts rather than the we just say so of faith, and bad arguments.
      We observe Nature, noting that its components exist,, demanding evidence for the supernatural and- the paranormal, its twin superstition, what together, Dr. Paul Kurtz labels " The Transcendental Temptation."
      Again as the OP states, this begs no questions nor sandbags supernaturalists but only demands evidence for the supernatural as archaeological evidence overcome the Tanakh to present no case for the sojourn in Egypt nor the Exodus!
      We appraise arguments for His existence, finding them begging questions and making other logical fallacies and lacking empirical support. This is hardly begging any questions. Now, so don't beg the question by introducing supernatural concepts yourself![ /I]
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      Re: the presumption of naturalism

      Theism is just reduced animism! It is the superstition that mind must have created and interacts with the Cosmos. The Ockham , the argument from physcial mind, Lamberth's teleonomic argument and Carneades's argument that all teleology begs the question of directed outcomes keel haul that mind does that.
      The presumption of naturalism rules!
      I welcome informed supernaturalistic commentary. And Alvin Plantinga excludes himself with his silly argument from reason!


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      " Religion is mythinformation."Englishman
      " God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!"
      God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!"Ignostic Morgan
      " Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."Inquiring Lynn
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      Re: the presumption of naturalism

      Theodore Drange suggests this new argument: f timr didn't exist before Creation, them God could not have created for that has to be in time. William Lane Craig would argue that He is timeless and can act so that once He creae, he Himself was in time.
      What do you opine,fellow inquirers?
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      Logic is the bane of theists. Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
      " Religion is mythinformation."Englishman
      " God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!"
      God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!"Ignostic Morgan
      " Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."Inquiring Lynn
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      And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
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      Supernaturalists have to do parasitism on this presumption to override it as they would with induction and empiricism. God adds nothing as a meaningful explanation.Why use Swinburne and Billy Lane's personal explanation- that reduced animism -to obfuscate the actual players the natural causes? They indeed are that sufficient reason that makes Leibniz's his minor blunder.
      Logic is the bane of theists. Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
      " Religion is mythinformation."Englishman
      " God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!"
      God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!"Ignostic Morgan
      " Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."Inquiring Lynn
      " Belief does not make truth.
      Evidence makes truth.
      And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
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      Presuppositionalism fails,because it is pure faith, the we just say so of credulity. As Hirchings notes, what admits of no evidence, we can dismiss without evidence.
      A;vin Plantinga's warrant self-destructs! He claims that upon reading Scriptures, one has an epiphany, then one has the basic belief in God. Not so fast as they reflect irreality, and to base that basic matter on them reflects aquicksand.
      He finds that limited God, has to be spare in what He does, thus making for perfection whilst omni-God can perform with flourishes! He also fails with his unknown defense argument for overcoming the problem of evil, but that is just another argument from ignorance! And he claims that we naturalists self-refute with his argument from reason, but no,because he begs the question of directed outcomes with his prattling that only God can determine that we can find truth with our faculties. No, as by trial and error, we learn to trust and -nistrust them and need instruments to help them out.
      People overrate him and William Lane Craig.
      Logic is the bane of theists. Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
      " Religion is mythinformation."Englishman
      " God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!"
      God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!"Ignostic Morgan
      " Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."Inquiring Lynn
      " Belief does not make truth.
      Evidence makes truth.
      And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
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      This presumption means commmon ground for both supernaturalists and naturalists. We both discern external reality and other minds and such as basic whilst the supernatural impinges only should supernaturalists can give evidence for it.
      Definition,faith, postulation, presuppositionalism and warrant cannot instantiate God!
      Logic is the bane of theists. Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.
      " Religion is mythinformation."Englishman
      " God is in a worse position than the Scarecrow who had a body to which a mind could enter whilst God has neither!"
      God is that married bachelor and so cannot exist. No wonder He is ineffable!"Ignostic Morgan
      " Life is its own validation and reward and ultimate meaning to which neither God nor the future state could further validate."Inquiring Lynn
      " Belief does not make truth.
      Evidence makes truth.
      And belief does not make evidence. ' Union Blue
      http://fathergriggs.wordpress.com

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