Has Jesus been in submission to God the Father for all eternity or did He only submit Himself to the Father during the Incarnation? Some people argue that if Jesus was in submission to the Father for all eternity, then He has an inferior nature. Others argue that just because Jesus was in submission to the Father for all eternity does not mean that He has an inferior nature.
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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
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The Eternal Submission of the Son to the Father
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Paul seems to think that the subjection will be eternal in 1 Cor 15,28. We can speak of this in human terms in a variety of ways, but I don't think we can really describe the inner workings of the Trinity. Metaphor, analogy, poetry. One might think of a dance or figure skating, poetry in motion. While one partner leads, the other partner is not inferior, and may even be presented as the central character and focal point of the performance. The beauty and grace of the dancers complement each other.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostPaul seems to think that the subjection will be eternal in 1 Cor 15,28. We can speak of this in human terms in a variety of ways, but I don't think we can really describe the inner workings of the Trinity. Metaphor, analogy, poetry. One might think of a dance or figure skating, poetry in motion. While one partner leads, the other partner is not inferior, and may even be presented as the central character and focal point of the performance. The beauty and grace of the dancers complement each other.
(seriously, I like that)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostThat's where the whole "ontological and functional subordination" arguments come in.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostPaul seems to think that the subjection will be eternal in 1 Cor 15,28. We can speak of this in human terms in a variety of ways, but I don't think we can really describe the inner workings of the Trinity. Metaphor, analogy, poetry. One might think of a dance or figure skating, poetry in motion. While one partner leads, the other partner is not inferior, and may even be presented as the central character and focal point of the performance. The beauty and grace of the dancers complement each other.
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Originally posted by Jaxb View Post1 Cor. 15:28 certainly sounds like the subjection of Jesus to the Father will be eternal. However, this does not make Him less divine.Last edited by robrecht; 09-08-2016, 03:57 PM.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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The very Father Son relatiooship for eternity. Timeless - and time past with no beginning.
God the Father the true God. The Word both with God and was God being the true Light.
[Genesis 1:1; Psalm 90:2; John 17:3; John 1:1-4, 9-10; Hebrews 1:3.]. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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