Interpretation the Trinity is polytheistic

[Christian3]

Seeing as you just quoted the passage attributed to him..........

You obviously, do not understand why I asked this question, but any Christian would.

[JimL]

You obviously, do not understand why I asked this question, but any Christian would.

You asked a simple question, so I gave you a simple answer.

[Christian3]

You asked a simple question, so I gave you a simple answer.

I didn't ask you. I'm waiting for H-A to answer.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

1 Corinthians 7: 1 Now in response to the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have relations with a woman.”

Do you think Paul said this as if he believed it?

Unless you consider it to be a later Christian interpolation, do you?

Paul condemned passion in all its forms and that included sexual passion.

From what he writes later in that section he appears to consider the asexual and/or celibate state to be the ideal. Remember Paul expected the Parousia imminently and he clearly thought that all focus should be on that; not on more earthly and fleshly concerns like love, marriage, and babies. He makes it clear that he sees those who cannot achieve his idealised life-style as somehow weak and therefore enjoins them to marry rather than “burn”.

However, his views on marriage are somewhat dour. Each shall give one another their debt [i.e. what is expected of them in the marriage bed] and there is no reference to the joy and bonding that human love and physicality can bring.

Of course the Parousia did not arrive and so the ECFs had to modify their views on sex and marriage, while still advocating the state of perpetual celibacy and/or virginity as the ideal.

Hence we find the ascetic ideas of Paul being echoed by several ECFs such as Athanasius [c. 296/298 CE – 373 CE], Gregory of Nazianzus [329 CE – 390 CE], John Chrysostom [c.347 CE- 407 CE], Jerome [c. 347 CE – 420 CE, and Augustine, [354 CE -430 CE] who all gave the single "virginal" life high praise and viewed it as the condition most conducive to the development of spiritual capacities. Augustine viewed marital sex as guilt ridden sin and Jerome regarded marriage as only good for the production of more potential virgins to take up the ascetic perpetual virgin life.

The Pauline view of celibacy and/or perpetual virginity is reflected in some of the now apocryphal Christian texts. Among the disturbing accounts [albeit with a degree of unintentional hilarity] can be found in the Acts of Peter [composed during the second half of the second century probably somewhere in Asia Minor].

[JonathanL]

Unless you consider it to be a later Christian interpolation, do you?

Or he considers Paul to be citing a slogan that the Corinthians themselves had been using, that he then goes on to correct in part. From the translation notes from the online version of the NET Bible:

Source: NET Bible 1 Cor 7 translation note 1

“It is good for a man not to touch a woman,” a euphemism for sexual relations. This idiom occurs ten times in Greek literature, and all of the references except one appear to refer to sexual relations (cf., e.g., Josephus, Ant. 1.8.1 [1.163]; Gen 20:6 [LXX]; Prov 6:29 [LXX]). For discussion see G. D. Fee, First Corinthians (NICNT), 275. Many recent interpreters believe that here again (as in 6:12-13) Paul cites a slogan the Corinthians apparently used to justify their actions. If this is so, Paul agrees with the slogan in part, but corrects it in the following verses to show how the Corinthians misused the idea to justify abstinence within marriage (cf. 8:1, 4; 10:23). See also G. D. Fee, “1 Corinthians 7:1 in the NIV,” JETS 23 (1980): 307-14.

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https://netbible.org/bible/1+Corinthians+7

[Christian3]

Unless you consider it to be a later Christian interpolation, do you?

Paul was quoting something the Corinthians said to him in a letter.

1."Now in response to the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have relations with a woman."


Why would the Corinthians say that?

Perhaps you should read 1 Corinthians 6!?

[Tassman]

Please quote us the Christian Scriptures that would authorize such actions.

People of faith can read the bible so that virtually any perspective on current issues will find some support in the bible. Because much of the bible can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history. The history of slavery in the US and the Jim Crow laws are a case in point.

[mikewhitney]

People of faith can read the bible so that virtually any perspective on current issues will find some support in the bible. Because much of the bible can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history. The history of slavery in the US and the Jim Crow laws are a case in point.

The question was not whether people could come up with bad doctrines but was whether the scriptures teach and endorse specific doctrines. If someone misunderstands the math book, this does not mean that the math book taught that concept.

[Trucker]

People of faith can read the bible so that virtually any perspective on current issues will find some support in the bible. Because much of the bible can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history. The history of slavery in the US and the Jim Crow laws are a case in point.

So where's your quote???

if its as easy as you claim you shouldn't have any problem finding one!!

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

People of faith can read the bible so that virtually any perspective on current issues will find some support in the bible. Because much of the bible can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history. The history of slavery in the US and the Jim Crow laws are a case in point.

Your interlocutor seems not realise that there are various texts that can be found in the Septuagint to condemn sorcery, witchcraft, and idolatry, as well references to demons. Verses touching on these topics can also be found [or interpreted] in the NT texts. Nor should we ignore the vivid imaginations and lawlessness of many early Christian fanatics like the notorious Shenouda [Shenoute) the Archimandrite (348-466 CE] who was the abbot of the equally notorious White Monastery in Thebes. Clearly ignorant of the writings of Paul [or considering himself to be above such petty details] Shenouda/Shenoute is supposed to have declared "There is no crime for those who have Christ".

Jerome wrote something not dissimilar, opining “There is no cruelty in regard for God’s honour”. A fanatic can interpret that in precisely whatever way as they wish if they fervently believe that their behaviour is in response to preserving “God’s honour”!

[Trucker]

Your interlocutor seems not realise that there are various texts that can be found in the Septuagint to condemn sorcery, witchcraft, and idolatry, as well references to demons. Verses touching on these topics can also be found [or interpreted] in the NT texts. Nor should we ignore the vivid imaginations and lawlessness of many early Christian fanatics like the notorious Shenouda [Shenoute) the Archimandrite (348-466 CE] who was the abbot of the equally notorious White Monastery in Thebes. Clearly ignorant of the writings of Paul [or considering himself to be above such petty details] Shenouda/Shenoute is supposed to have declared "There is no crime for those who have Christ".

Diversionary smoke and mirrors but still no requested Scripture posted!!

Jerome wrote something not dissimilar, opining “There is no cruelty in regard for God’s honour”. A fanatic can interpret that in precisely whatever way as they wish if they fervently believe that their behaviour is in response to preserving “God’s honour”!

You would be great discussing the sacralized Islamic writings including sharia!!!

Since when is Jerome's writing considered Scripture???????

[Dan Zebiri]

In what scriptural evidence do you claim that Jesus is not divine or God? Siam?

You may argue this from the koranic and/or Biblical perspectives since atheists have no appreciation of Biblical or koranic positions. And you claim to be muslim.

This would probably be one of those things that appear conceptually similar but are functionally different?.....
Since Jesus is not God---but a human being, the symbolism, likely, functions in a different way....?....

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Diversionary smoke and mirrors but still no requested Scripture posted!!

I am sure you can find those verses for yourself.

You would be great discussing the sacralized Islamic writings including sharia!!!

Now now Trucker, put that hobbyhorse back in the cupboard. I understand there is a board where you can discuss Islam to your heart's content.

Since when is Jerome's writing considered Scripture???????

Who suggested it was?

[Trucker]

I am sure you can find those verses for yourself.

Ma'am, YOU are the one making the charges. Therefore it YOU"RE responsibility to show us the Christian Scriptures that would authorize or permit such atrocities as you mentioned. So far I have not seen you produce any. In other words, until you do you're blowing hot air.

Now now Trucker, put that hobbyhorse back in the cupboard. I understand there is a board where you can discuss Islam to your heart's content.

Now now, Ma'am ... let us not resort to childish quibbling. Just show us the Scripture if you can.

Who suggested it was?

So you admit you knew when you posted this that Jerome was not Scripture but posted it instead the requested Scripture:[Quote Originally Posted by Hypatia]_Alexandria View Post
Jerome wrote something not dissimilar, opining “There is no cruelty in regard for God’s honour”. A fanatic can interpret that in precisely whatever way as they wish if they fervently believe that their behaviour is in response to preserving “God’s honour”! [/quote]

Thanks for admitting to resorting to diversions when you evidently know you can't produce what you were asked to produce. Just show us the Scripture I requested.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Ma'am, YOU are the one making the charges. Therefore it YOU"RE responsibility to show us the Christian Scriptures that would authorize or permit such atrocities as you mentioned. So far I have not seen you produce any. In other words, until you do you're blowing hot air.



Now now, Ma'am ... let us not resort to childish quibbling. Just show us the Scripture if you can.



So you admit you knew when you posted this that Jerome was not Scripture but posted it instead the requested Scripture:

Thanks for admitting to resorting to diversions when you evidently know you can't produce what you were asked to produce. Just show us the Scripture I requested.[/COLOR]

We all know there are numerous verses in the Bible to condemn witchcraft, demons, and idolatry.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topi...ut-witchcraft/
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Demons
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Demons

Any belief system that comes to the ascendancy that is premised on divine relations contained in so-called holy books is bound to result in prejudice and persecution towards those who do not adhere to it.

Once any religious creed attains prominence it resorts using coercive methods to intimidate and control and uphold its authority and pre-eminence. Two thousand years of Christian history bears ample witness to that fact.